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Submit for Jeezus!
12/16/2007 5:32:54 AM
I'm so glad I'm lesbian, where my wife and I are equal, not master and servant.
12/16/2007 5:36:15 AM
What you're describing is masochism and doesn't happen in nature. The female doesn't "submit" to any male. They do it by instinct, in exchange of a sexual reward. Taking the husband's surname is a social convention, not a natural one. Following your logic, the Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese or Cave men, for that matter, would have extinguished long ago.
12/16/2007 5:53:52 AM
Sexual attraction = submission? I don't think so.
12/16/2007 6:41:25 AM
How's that Stokholm syndrome treating you?
12/16/2007 6:46:12 AM
So you're saying my sister-in-law isn't sexually attracted to my brother? Then why did she marry him and have two kids? I'm curious, I'd really like to know.
12/16/2007 7:00:11 AM
Holy masochism, Layon Belt!
12/16/2007 7:27:49 AM
Women who choose not to take their husband's surname after marriage are not sexually attracted to them, and will likely be the one to initiate divorce.
No. Women who get tired of being treated like shit initiate divorce. Whether they take their husband's name or not is irrelevant, whereas being treated like a doormat (or being expected to act like one) is.
When a woman feels metaphysically submissive to a man, when she admires all the masculine qualities he exhibits and deems him worthy of submitting to, sexually speaking, she will gladly become "his" and take his name. This is the essence of femininity."
No. That is Stokholm Syndrome, which is a survival instict to please one's captor so as not to be outright killed by them. It is, effectively, brainwashing.
12/16/2007 8:03:41 AM
these fundies really do take sexual dimorphism to extremes - dainty little girlie woman needing protection and guidance from big butch-man man.
It may have been necessary in the stone and bronze age, but in the 21st century women have a right and a dutty to take full part in society.
12/16/2007 8:09:18 AM
Yama the Space Fish
Click on that link and go forward a few pages.
12/16/2007 8:09:40 AM
This is the essence of slavery, Leanne.
12/16/2007 8:16:58 AM
WOW! Although she sounds rather fundie here, she actually has some brains in her head and is really very thoughtful. Go forward and read some of her other essays; she believes couples should enjoy sex, isn't against same-sex marriages, and believes that a couple should only have children if both really want them AFTER being married for at least 4 years to make sure the marriage is solid. I think I like this lady, in most ways.
12/16/2007 8:23:28 AM
When I was a kid I heard all kinds of "horror" stories about the mistakes missionaries made, which made them look like brainless fools to people they were hoping to 'convert' (you know -- like Catholics)
The one thing all those horror stories had in common is those missionaries were eternally confusing cultural differences with religious creed.
You know, like this site. Full of people who are not aware there are or ever were humans outside a 20 mile radius of where they were born.
Not just monocults, ignorant on a whole different embarrassing scale.
12/16/2007 8:32:15 AM
Actually, this isn't a fundie. Go to that site and read a few pages, and you'll realize that. Read the entire page this is posted on, instead of assuming she's some kind of Stockholm Syndrome freak.
12/16/2007 9:42:12 AM
If, as you claim in the article, names aren't that important, that "Names don't represent our souls" then why are you making a big stink about women who choose to keep their maiden names?
12/16/2007 9:59:15 AM
Jezebel's Evil Sister
Maybe not entirely fundy -- but stupid enough on at least one point that she has no right to try to spread that silly notion around.
12/16/2007 10:14:09 AM
So how do I know if a woman feels metaphysically submissive to me or if they're just going along with tradition?
Besides, if the man's an abusive asshole, the woman should divorce his sorry ass...and vice versa.
12/16/2007 10:17:41 AM
so the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't fancy E. Regina then.
12/16/2007 10:46:49 AM
My husband was a little shocked to find out not changing my name means I'm not sexually attracted to him, especially after the night we had last night.
12/16/2007 11:22:49 AM
Yule Goat 2 Hell
cui bono wrote: "so the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't fancy E. Regina then."
Nope, at least not much any more, according to what I've read in the tabloids - but the name has nothing to do with it.
12/16/2007 11:32:18 AM
She sounds like a character from a John Norman novel.
...On that note, may I bring up the subject of hyphenated names? What does it mean when she takes his and hers, hmm?
12/16/2007 11:45:24 PM
I imagine many of the women of the Middle and Far East would be startled to learn they have never been sexually attracted to their husbands.
12/17/2007 1:48:47 AM
Not exactly avant garde thinking, but it seems innocuous.
12/17/2007 1:58:08 AM
Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor disagree.
12/17/2007 3:26:55 AM
Or maybe women who are not attracted to their husbands are just more likely to keep their names.
Correlation =/= Causation.
12/17/2007 4:57:01 AM
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