I hear most people say that Christmas isn't important anyway because apparently "Christ was not born anywhere near December 25th." I guess I must be one of the few that believes He was indeed born on or near December 25th. I believe that the devil, who is the master of corruption, then went and tried to make the Christians think it was a pagan holiday
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Things like this make me ashamed to be an Aussie. If the devil is trying to make christians think that xmas is a pagan holiday, he isn't doing a very good job. Not enough of you realise that it is. You people stole it, just as you did virtually every other holiday.
The celebration of Jesus' birthday was moved to december 25th by a Pagan Roman emperor, for political reasons.
You are why Europeans laugh at Americans.
Let me gently remind you morons that this is about Jesus's birth, not death.
He was indeed born on December 25th, we know this because like the bible, this information was divinely inspired. If the date of Jesus's birth isn't accurate, then the whole bible must be inaccurate as well (and it isn't).
'Aussie' mama? No true Aussie would describe herself as a 'mama' whatever that means. Or say she was 'mama to Lil' Precious, with Sweetiepie on the way' as she does on her blog.
The bitch is from Mississippi.
I think this is Katy-Anne from T-4-C, or a close friend/confidant. Fundie women kinda sound all alike.
If she is, and she is a 'mama', then she seemed to go from hateful teenager to hateful pregnant bitch pretty quickly.
If she is, and she is a 'mama', then she seemed to go from hateful teenager to hateful pregnant bitch pretty quickly.
Even the Bible doesn't support a December 25th nativity.
If you believe the account in Luke Ch2, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem for a Roman census. Roman censuses were held in September or October, after the harvest but before bad weather made travel difficult. Also because of the foul weather in the region sheep need to be brought in from the hills no later than mid-October. Certainly shepherds wouldn't be tending their flocks in the fields in late December.
Incidentally, I'm not sure why Katy-Anne calls herself 'Aussie Mama 4 Jesus', her profile does indeed give her location as Mississippi.
According to what her profile says, Katy-Anne is from Australia, but married an American and now lives in the US. She has a 3 month old son and is pregnant again. Can't speak for the use of "mama" as to whether it is Australian usage or not.
Just goes to show you can get these fundies to believe anything!
So - why not just believe in it then? Why say "on or AROUND" December 25? If you believe he was born on December 25 (and I'm not convinced he ever lived at all) and he turns out to be born on December 26 isn't the devil corrupting you too?
Have you ever been in Palestine on December?, because you'd be suprised how difficult is for a young couple too move on those places, in winter, and find no lodge. And for the shepperds to have their sheep grazing outside.
"I guess I must be one of the few that believes He was indeed born on or near December 25th."
Um... does that make you feel special? To be smarter than all theologians, biblical scholars, historians, people with sense in general, etc.
Fundamentalism is nothing but a big ego trip. Naturally, behind your fundamentalism is a whole lot of insecurity.
And as an aside, some people seem to confuse death and birth. No one knows for sure when Jesus was born (obviously, when the sole evidence of his existence is scriptures and some very questionable 'correspondence'), because no one wrote down the date, biblical scholars mostly think it was in the spring and a few, in the fall. No biblical scholar thinks he was born on December 25. As for when he died - if anyone hasn't noticed, the date changes from year to year. The modern concept of calendar and birthday didn't exist back then and it would have been logical for them to describe the crucifixion date as something like "the 2nd full moon after spring equinox" and as far as I know Easter (Astarte or Ishtar, but that's whole new thread) is calculated on some kind of lunar calendar too.
@Illuminatalie
"Um... does that make you feel special? To be smarter than all theologians, biblical scholars, historians, people with sense in general, etc."
I tend to find that especially precious. There are theologians that are debating to precise meanings of numerous passages, when the average Bible Belter "KNOWS" exactly what it means, and usually it means justification for hatred, I find.
The Christ was not born on any day, having been in existence before the g0d of the bible.
Jesus was born either in the spring or the fall.
<< 'Aussie' mama? No true Aussie would describe herself as a 'mama' whatever that means. Or say she was 'mama to Lil' Precious, with Sweetiepie on the way' as she does on her blog.
The bitch is from Mississippi. >>
Kiefer: "No True Australian" Fallacy. ;^D
Sorry, but IN Mississippi does not mean FROM Mississippi.
Thank you Aussie Mama For Jesus for clearing that up. And yes, these peoples are iggnant about anything biblical.
All they know is gay sex, athiesm, and how to get their freak on.
To Big Chicken dinner:
Thank you. it is so nice to see another True Believer (TM) on such a godless forum as this! Yes, I agree, they are all probably indulging in a sexual argy even as we speak! men doing unspeakable things with men, and women doing abominable things with other women, using godless toys
AMfJ: Despite the fact that you're a Poe, you could at least put a little effort into it.
Luke 2 doesn't name one single date. Epic fail.
Ah, the devil. Damn him and his "reality".
Seriously, what kind of messed up view of the universe do you need to actually believe that objective historical sources are all deceptions of an evil superbeing?
Sadly, the real AM4J seems to be genuine (or at least a seriously dedicated poetroll). But the AM4J in these comments = poetroll... so... why?
Tsk. "My proof is a book that doesn't prove anything!" Typical.
Edit: Oh, and also... Read my Babble? No thanks - I have better taste in fiction.
Just been reading some of Aussie Mama's comments and I'm getting a picture of her with her fingers in her ears, saying "la, la lalala, I'm not listening". I know it's mean but if we keep on at her a bit more do you think we could make her cry?
Heather, I AM crying! Crying because you are all Godless heathens engaging in unspeakable acts of sex with each other as I type. Yes, my fingers may be in my ears. Where are yours? I shudder to think!
The Catholics -- you know, the FIRST AND ORIGINAL BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH -- have come as close to admitting as they ever will, that the date of the Roman festival of the Unconquered Sun, 25 Dec, was chosen for their baby Jebus' birthday party.
"...When shepherds watched their flocks by night." Not in midwinter, if I understand the gestational habit of ovines correctly.
The tree is pagan German, the mistletoe and holly are pagan Druidic, and the lights on the tree can be taken from either an early Nordic legend, or from the Roman "Sol Invictus" tradition of giving and lighting many wax candles.
Modern religious and commercial bullshittery have managed to drive me away from the spirit of the season, but I still think the chocolate baby Jebus is a terrific idea.
*snicker @ BCD*
This is the same basic "reasoning" that the KJV-onlyists use.
It's what they grew up with, so by golly, it had better be right!
Old Viking. You are a BAD man! How dare you say that Jesus never existed! We have proof! I have the pictures of Him in my Bible (KJB 1611). If the translators were inspired by God, then so where the people who painted these pictures! Otherwise they would NOT be in the Authorized KJV! Besides, i prayed about it, and it witnesses with my spirit. Now go back to your godless orgies.
Wow... people like this...
She should really study the history of her own religion.
Jesus's birth was decided to be celebrated Dec 25 to rope in new converts.
Silly stupid woman.
Thanks for raping my holiday Aussie.
I'm taking back Yule and dancing naked around my Christmas tree with mistletoe in my long flowing hair....celebrating the divinity of mother Earth and knowing winter is half over...
Wanna join?
Old Viking, I am about to make you a very exciting offer. I can offer you the most wonderful gift, and it is absolutely free. There are no strings attacted and this gift is very simple to claim.
You get a huge mansion with many servants. You will be the king of unlimited kingdoms and will preside over angels. All dimensions will be open to you and this gift is eternal - you will never die.
Interested? This gift is yours if you accept Jesus as your Lord and Commander. Have you ever heard of Jesus? He was a Jewish zombie that was really the son of Yahweh (the god of the bible, better known as the LORD), but he was also himself, and the holy spirit - at the same time. He was executed to appease his own wrath - wrath mostly for humans acting exactly in the manner he designed. The first act that drew his Ire was when a woman ate from the tree of knowlegde of good and evil - commiting the first sin, despite not having knowledge of right and wrong when the act was committed. Now it all makes sense? Good.
So that is Jesus, and you have to bring him into your heart. Say this prayer, "Jesus, come into my heart and save me from your righteous judgement."
That's it! You can now cash in your ticket for your untold riches. All you have to do is die first - but don't worry, you'll really be living forever.
See you at the church picnic!
Oh, Big Chicken Dinner, I could not have said it better myself! No seriously, i couldn't. I'm a woman. The LORD tells me to keeep silent, and allow men, real Godly men, like you Big Chicken Dinner, to teach His Holy Precious Authorized (KJB 1611) Word. Oh, Big Chicken, you are my hero.
Oooh, careful now Aussie Mama,remember your God is a jealous God and doesn't want you to have any other idols but him. Now you're making Big Chicken Dinner your hero? You're in danger of being struck down. By the way, in answer to your other post, I don't know where you imagined my fingers to be but I was typing on my computer at the time. Why are fundies so obsessed with sex?
BCD:
You're supposed to make vague allusions, not give away the whole down-on-the-plantation fantasy.
Aussie:
You suck at teh tr0llz0rz, and I'm surprised people actually believe you're the pathetic fool in the quote.
BCD:
You're supposed to make vague allusions, not give away the whole down-on-the-plantation fantasy.
Ah yes, Matthew 7:6.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Very nice catch.
Caustic Gnostic-
I agree, let's take back the solstice!
Jesus is a poor substitute for the sun god(s)
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