The US was built by christians. Many people consider the US to be the greatest country in the world. Christian lands tend to have less violence than say, Muslim or Atheist/Socialist/Communist Lands. All school shootings have happened in secular public schools..Even Hitler had atheistic plans for his country(get rid of Judiasm and Christendom)
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"All school shootings have happened in secular public schools"
West Nickel Mines School, October 2006. You lose. Dick.
Hitler was a Christian, honey. Sorry to pop your bubble
And a big booyah to Chicken for beating me to the treaty
Renton405, your first statement is wrong. Read a history textbook. Your second statement is true and I share the sentiment but it is in no way connected to the first statement. The third statement requires proof and I don't think you have any. The fourth statement is false. Google it and see. And your last statement requires you to open a history book because it is demonstrably false.
A little research would have made you more aware and less of a dipshit, Renton405. A little learning may be dangerous but ignorance just makes you look silly.
Of course Hitler had atheistic plans for his country, that's why he's on record saying he'd never teach atheism (nor evolution, for those that think "Darwinism" had something to do with Nazism). That's why he kept all those Christian churches and pushed for Positive Christianity. He was brilliantly doing the complete opposite of his plans to confuse everyone. I suppose he was also a huge supporter of Jews, homosexuals, communists, gypsies, and political dissidents against the Nazi regime (as well as any other targeted groups I may have left out due to poor memory).
I won't blame all Christians for Hitler or insinuate that they're all like him, but he is one of theirs (by all available information), so they need to accept that. Every group has its assholes.
Reliable statistics over Norway and most European countries(all secular), Jordan(muslim), The Emirates(Muslim)and Japan(secular), say otherwise(although it's true that Pakistan is fairly violent, and so is Algeria). Man, America is one of the more violents countries in the world, together with South Africa and other South American countries. Before making statitics out of your ass or personal wishes, look for reliable sources.
U know, I got ripped of 20..00 by a cab and fare i shared tonight, it is Christmas! I gave 20.00 to a soldier fron CDN forces in Afghanistan. You know what, I feel good! let's just remember what this season is supposed to remind us of! What Jesus' message was really about, was to remember those less fortunate ourselves!
Happy holidays!
@Michael
And Jesus said unto them "That which you do unto the least of my bretheren so you do unto me"
Maybe if the fundies would act more like the man they idolize the world would be a better place.
And since your's came from the heart Merry Christmas to you to. "God bless us, every one"
Wrong. The least violent countries tend to be places like Norway, Japan, etc. America is not the best country in the world by any stretch of the imagination. It may have the strongest economy, but it's health care, education and crime rates and quality of life are generally among the worst of all first world countries.
As for your bullshit about Hitler, well that's just bullshit.
People believing the US to be the greatest country in the world also tend to be people living there. I wouldn't call their words a fair assessment.
Oh, and Hitler was a Christian, albeit an unusual one.
The US was initially colonized in part by persecuted Christians, but that's about it. They didn't really come into prominence until the late 19th century.
I used to think tha the US is the greatest as well. However, having lived here for a few months I've since changed my mind.
CHristian lands ted to have less violence? Dude, even if I take the US as a Christian nation, or just a Christian majority nation, it still is a far bloodier nation than the heathen athiestic countries of Europe.
@James It may have the strongest economy, but it's health care, education and crime rates and quality of life are generally among the worst of all first world countries.
I would argue against it having the strongest economy... largest yes, but it's getting weaker thanks to the massive debt and ever-increasing defaults on that debt.
Yep. Christians are so peaceful and loving - that's why their first reaction to anything that threatens their fragile belief system is to threaten, main, kill, and destroy.
The US was built by christians.
No. The US was founded as a secular nation.
Many people consider the US to be the greatest country in the world.
Many North Koreans consider North Korea to be the greatest country in the world. Moot point. Show us some actual facts, as 'some people consider' means absolutely nothing.
The US is a great country, but that some people consider it 'the greatest in the world' doesn't mean it is.
Christian lands tend to have less violence than say, Muslim or Atheist/Socialist/Communist Lands.
No. Scandinavia and Canada are secular and more peaceful than the States.
All school shootings have happened in secular public schools..
Oh? That doesn't rhyme well with this 'atheists hate Christians' myth of yours, does it now, eebil atheists killing... other atheists? And what about Cho? Or those church shootings?
Even Hitler had atheistic plans for his country(get rid of Judiasm and Christendom)
Myth.
About a year and a half ago, an extensive sociological study was conducted, comparing the U.S. with the secular nations of Western Europe. Among the social indicators used were crime rates and murder rates. The secular nations were far superior in this regard, that is, their rates were far lower. As a matter of fact, statistically the god-fearing U. S. is one of the most violent countries on earth, if not the most violent.
I can't back this up with fact, so take it with a grain of salt, so to speak - but I've seen that with violent crimes, gun deaths, prison executions, serial killers, etc. the U.S. has 120 times the total amount of the whole rest of the world combined. (Willing to stand corrected . . .)
Your first statement is historically incorrect. The second is true in spite of "fundies like Bush and you" instead of because of you. The third is actually incorrect, the religion aspect has less to do with that than the political situation. Four, don't think so, prove it. Five Hitler was a Christian(documented), the SS required a statement of Christianity(as does the KKK), Hitler did, however, try to rid the world of Jews(and homosexuals), so you were right once, sort of.
The only part of that entire post that is even remotely true is the second sentence, and that only applies to people living in America.
Cue the failboat, please.
"The US was built by christians. "
You misspelled deists, moron.
The US was founded "not on any religion, but on The Light of Reason", (Franklin).
Looks like the light's just about gone out.
Only Americans consider America to be the greatest nation in the world. Many Europeans consider America to be a country where they would not want to live, go, or be found dead. Certainly not now that there is a increased chance of being "randomly" selected for a body-cavity search, taser treatment, or getting waterboarded until you say whatever the CIA inquisitor wants to hear.
You know, as some one who lives in the UK, I would say "most" people consider the US a great nation rather than the "greatest." Still, this is probably a homeschooler so he neither understands that there are people who live outside his town or what "many" actually means.
As for the rest of his nonsense - this is just a good example of what is wrong with nutters teaching their own children to be nutters.
C for spelling (oddly for a god-botherer, he didn't use a C for Christian) but overall F- due to it being complete crap.
"Christian lands tend to have less violence than say, Muslim or Atheist/Socialist/Communist Lands."
The countries of Sweden and the Netherlands prove otherwise.
Oh dear, I hate to break it to you, but Norway is actually a Christian country. We have a state church. However, we are socialists, so I guess we are evil anyway!
And deists.
Not anymore, many residents would rather not even live here.
I doubt that and believe that the Middle East is just an inevitable conflict of fundies, while most Muslims areas are relatively peaceful.
Might be a statistical error. Consider the tiny precentage of schools that are private and non-secular.
I'm pretty sure Hitler only intended to get rid of Judaism.
Norway, Japan and Finland, to name a few, are countries with far fewer violence than the USA. In fact, America scores among the highest in some kind of crimes. Please, get statistics right.
Actually, anti-americanism is on the rise in the world(and bearing in mind that it´s the country with the lowest health system in the developed world and the highest poverty and criminality right, I have my suspicions on what kind of people are those, outside the States, of course). Countries with low church attendance have the lowest criminality. Shootings happened both in the Bible Belt and some of them in religious schools. And most important, Hitler was a Christian. Try reading real data and taking your eyes out of the States for a while.
Y'know, there are a few Christian writters out there (too few) that have to spend a lot of their time nowadays telling their fellow Christians to stop lying or spreading lies. It's an uphill battle because EVERY church has had to cover their own history with more favourable rewrites and won't point out the other denominations skeletons for fear of it escalating into inter-denominational namecalling.
So it's left up to independant pastors or theologists to try and stem the rising bullshit that is modern Christianity.
Hitler was a Catholic, a product of Catholic Anti-Semetics, and Adolfs attitude to other races and cultures would make him a "good old boy" in any Southern neighborhood. His writtings would be easily inserted into many Southern Baptist church services.
Y'know, down there in the Bible Belt where most mass-shootings take place.
Sorry, there is a negative correlation between religion and societal health. Religion does NOT lead to a healthier society.
http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/religious-belief-and-societal-health/
"The United States is a strong exception, experiencing far higher rates of homicide than even (strongly theistic) Portugal, while Portugal itself is beset by much more homicide than the secular developed democracies. Hardly a “shining city on a hill” to the rest of the world, the United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developed democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always scores poorly. This deviates immensely from what most Americans consider to be common wisdom: that religion is beneficial." See Figures 1-6.
"Despite the best efforts of “pro-life” Americans, abortion rates are much higher in our Christian nation, and lowest in relatively secular ones such as Japan, France, and the Scandinavian countries (Figures 3 and 4). In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies (Figures 5 and 6). This would seem to indicate that there is a positive correlation between religiosity and dysfunctionality."
Every single sentence this cunt-for-brains spews forth will require even 'Fractal Wrongness' to be redefined.
Renton(IQ)4.05 here is wrong in 11 Dimensions.
1- No mention of the words 'God', 'Jesus' or 'Creator' at least in the US Constitution.
2- One word: China.
3- Not so's you'd notice. [hyper-sarcasm]
4- Japan. Shinto/Zen Buddhist. Question: Why no school shootings there?
5- Hitler was a Catholic .
6- ?????
7- The word 'Wrong' has committed seppuku due to your mere existence , pal. Even ultimate FAIL wins compared to what you call thought processes, Renton(IQ)4.05.
"The US was built by christians."
The Founding Fathers may have been Christian, I don't know, but the US is not a religious nation.
"Many people consider the US to be the greatest country in the world."
Keep telling yourself that.
"Christian lands tend to have less violence than say, Muslim or Atheist/Socialist/Communist Lands."
Most countries are atheist or agnostic, Muslim nations have terrorists and militaries stomping all over them, and socialism and communism aren't religions.
"All school shootings have happened in secular public schools."
All school shootings have been performed by people who breath air. Clearly air is evil.
"Even Hitler had atheistic plans for his country(get rid of Judiasm and Christendom)"
Godwin. Hitler's religious beliefs are debatable, but he wasn't trying to get rid of Jews because of religious belief or lack thereof, he was doing it because he was a mad fascist dictator.
Jup, Russia (Christian land) has much less violence than Sweden. Btw, Sweden has actually had a State Church, which the US has never had, AND 65 percent of the Swedish population are still members of the Swedish Church (and subsequently pay Church tax).
Sweden has never had a school shooting, ever. I think the only school shooting, yet, in the Nordic Countries was in Finland.
Hitler was a Christian creationist, who said he was doing God's Work.
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