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Is atheism an offshoot of Islam?
The basic declaration of faith in Islam is

"There is no god, but God".

This statement has two parts

1) There is no god
2) But there is one God

This statement was revolutionary considering the time it was revealed. It reduced the number of gods to just one, which is so close to atheism. The first part is very significant in that it rejects all baseless beliefs associated with "gods", which is the essence of atheism; whereas the second part explains the uniformity, will and purpose behind the creation of the universe as well as the source of the moral principles governing the human society which are basically religious in origin, but still which even the atheists condone. Historically it can be seen that atheistic ideology came into being only after the advent of Islam. It arose in Europe during the dark ages as the rebellion against the church as a result of their interaction with the Islamic civilization which was flowering at that time. However as the Europe didn’t become Muslim they embraced only the first part in principle. Still they too accepted two vital corollaries of the second: That the universe is governed by a single will, which is of course the science; and they too accepted the moral values like human equality, freedom, fraternity, justice and morality which are basically religious in origin, but has been corrupted over the ages and has been re-founded by Islam. (For example even though there are many scientific theories challenging the human equality, atheists has generally favored it).

Hence it may be safe to state that atheism is an offshoot of Islam?

Karoly, Yahoo! Answers 67 Comments [12/27/2007 11:04:40 PM]
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No.

12/27/2007 11:09:35 PM

Don'tLookBehindYou

I skipped the paragraph.

There is no God but God reads the same way as There is No Truth but God. as in, There is Only One God but We Feel Like Being Poetic and Saying it Like This.

= Fail.

12/27/2007 11:10:58 PM

Professor M

If Karoly ever takes French, the ne...que formation will drive s/h/it crazy. ...er.

12/27/2007 11:14:34 PM

Ex-Fundie

Logic: It doesn't work like that.

12/27/2007 11:14:55 PM



Hence it may be safe to state that you truly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

12/27/2007 11:15:43 PM



Atheism is an offshoot of islam, like cheese is an offshoot of chalk.

12/27/2007 11:21:31 PM

Illuminatalie

I guess while you're constructing these meaningless paragraphs of nonsense, you're too busy to bother someone else.

"it may be safe to state that atheism is an offshoot of Islam?"
Yes, in fact it is safe to comment and even say stupid things about other religions. You aren't living in a country run by fundies, so you get freedom of speech.

12/27/2007 11:24:18 PM

Sideshow Bob

Atheism isn't an offshoot of anything beyond the lack of a belief in God.

12/27/2007 11:38:30 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

There are two statements here, but they are both contained in number two. Number one is canceled by number two. I can appreciate your misunderstanding; the language becomes confusing when one statement is broken into two parts - I actually had to think for a bit before I could break it down, as things like "but" and "except" can be tricky to translate into symbolic logic.

Restated:

1) "There are no gods at all."
2a) "Actually, there is one god." (Which must mean 1 is false)
2b) "and it's ours."

So, the two statements here are actually:

1) "There is one god"
2) "and it's ours"


To make it even simpler still:

A: intGods == 0;
B: intGods == 1;

If A, !B.
If B, !A.

Hardly surprising, really - most writers of religious texts are abysmal logicians. They're not afraid of contradiction:

10: set boolKillingAllowed = 0;
20: if(stringCommand = "Smite!")
30: kill(bignum intUnbelievers)

or redundancy:

10: set Christ::boolSaviour = true;
20: set Christ::boolSaviour = !(!true);
30: set Christ::boolNotSaviour = false;
40: set Christ::boolSaviour = true;
50: set Christ::boolSonOfGod = true;
60: Christ.checkSonOfGod(null)
70: {
80: if(boolSonOfGod)
90: boolSaviour = true;
100: };

for example.

12/27/2007 11:45:16 PM

GigaGuess

Only insofar as Christianity is too. An atheist merely believes in one less God than the average theist.

12/27/2007 11:48:05 PM

Bryan65

1. Atheist do not believe in God.
2. Islam believes Allah is the one true God. Hence the term "There is no God but Allah."
3. Atheism is not a religion or an ideology. It is a set of beliefs.
4. You're an idiot.

12/27/2007 11:49:23 PM

MiykaelPoly

I would say it is NOT safe to say that atheism is a offshoot of Islam, but it might be a contributing factor...

In islam, they have different kinds of Jihad, most forgotten these days, is the Jihad by the pen and knowledge.

If Islam had 10 commandments, one of them would be "Dont be stupid, learn all you can" Shame that it has been forgotten.


12/27/2007 11:51:05 PM

Euclid

Uuuummm... or I suppose it could be -- just throwing out really random ideas in the dark here -- that Muslims believe that there are no gods other than one single omnipotent god (which you might as well just call "God") and that atheists believe in no gods at all. Which would make them about as related as me and, say, William of Ockham (again, just pulling out names randomly...).

But, hey, nice try making all sorts of spurious arguments to back up your "it's 3am, I'm piss drunk and me and my mates are making up shit" theory.

12/27/2007 11:51:48 PM

approximate

WRONG!

12/27/2007 11:54:24 PM

NecroVMX

Actually it's "there is no god but the almighty" which is their version of the first commandment "I am the lord thy god, thou shalt not have no other gods before me"



Yeah, owned.

12/27/2007 11:58:25 PM

jaylin

Why is it so hard for religious fundamentalists to believe that some people have no need for faith, and that there is no grand conspiracy behind atheism?

12/28/2007 12:05:36 AM

toothache

I counted five fails, two false premises, and a non-sequitur. Do I win anything?

12/28/2007 12:10:41 AM

Osiris

Ummm....doesn't Christianity itself reject all other gods and only worships one. According to that logic you yourself are just one step away from atheism. Seriously this is just stupid.

12/28/2007 12:16:06 AM

John

The statement doesn't have two parts. It wouldn't even make sense if divided into two, because, if divided, it would say (a) "there's no god" and (b) "there's a god"; which is contradictory.

"But" means "except", as in "there are no Popes but Catholics". The statement just means "there is no god except God". Karoly is just playing stupid a word game.

12/28/2007 12:23:01 AM

HeathenAngel

The FUCK you say!

12/28/2007 12:23:05 AM

Old Viking

It's safe enough to say atheism is an offshoot of Islam as long as you don't mind people biting their lips to avoid laughing in your face.

12/28/2007 12:32:37 AM

dinkadoo

Is his brain an offshoot of a..........potato?

Maybe so.....

12/28/2007 1:23:28 AM

Jacob

I can safely say that atheism has as much to do with Islam as it does with any other theistic belief system, ie. nothing.

12/28/2007 1:59:40 AM

CT

Karoly... the comma isn't in the original.

It should read "There is no god but God"



See how it makes sense now?

12/28/2007 2:09:28 AM

anevilmeme

"It reduces the number of gods to just one, which is so close to atheism."

Don't Jews and Christians believe in just on god also?

12/28/2007 3:01:30 AM
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