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NEVER NEVER NEVER has mutation caused an incease in the survibility of a species. Mutation's hinder the species, not make it grow into an environment.

worship4ever, Christian Forums 19 Comments [6/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Julian

Source please? Was it two ply or three ply?

6/30/2006 7:55:46 AM

pauline

except in X-Men.

12/6/2006 11:19:37 PM

Count Spatula

What about disease resistant bacteria? I do believe that they are the product of a mutation...

7/10/2007 9:47:32 AM

Freboy

I am a biologist.

I say you fail.

7/10/2007 9:51:55 AM

Puck

NEVER NEVER NEVER has w4e actually researched anything on the subject. Religion hinders the species, and is not conducive to understanding the environment.

7/10/2007 11:48:32 AM

Ambrielle

What, never?

7/10/2007 12:02:26 PM

Some Guy

The link doesn't lead to the quote. Someone tell FSTDT this.

7/10/2007 7:32:33 PM

Guy

Neeeever... neeeever.... NEEEEVER... never run away.

7/11/2007 10:52:36 PM

Liz

CCR5-delta32 mutation, when homozygous confers immunity to HIV and bubonic plague. I'd say that's a pretty helpful mutation.

6/17/2011 5:15:20 AM

Tempus

The Milano Mutation.

More on Apolipoprotein A1: Link

So you were saying?

6/17/2011 11:03:34 AM

Canadiest

Look, we don't know the scale of random evolution vs regular evolution (whatever you think the difference is) so that was a just ignorance from word one. Creationist doublespeak. There's no difference as all changes are random, it's the change having an advantage that counts.

There's no mind driving this, there's no plan, everything alive today is a product of an edge, a slight advantage to exist. Random has no meaning in this scenario, random (by definition) is what happens, regardless of common.

6/17/2011 6:46:21 PM

Big One

This, kind sir, is bullshit.

9/22/2011 8:26:06 AM

Anon



Polydactyl cats. They can't make cheeseburgers, but they can climb and catch flying prey a lot better than their un-mutated cousins, which gives them a big advantage when feral in urban environments.

Your Argument Is Invalid.

9/22/2011 9:23:41 AM



Lack of knowledge about grammar hinders communication, makes you look uneducated and not worth listening to.

9/22/2011 11:44:03 AM

Sentry Gun

People that died because of antibiotics resistant bacterias would certainly like to have a word with you, if they were not dead.

1/3/2012 10:13:32 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Happy extinction, shit-for-brains.

6/30/2014 4:22:50 PM



Bullshit.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lenski_results_challenge_creationism

Oh, and "Mutation's" is not the plural of mutation. You can't even get the possessive/plural of a word correct and figure out how to turn off caps lock yet you expect us to take your word that you are educated and qualified to study all of the scientific evidence relating to your claim and are qualified to make an educated, logical, rational, informed conclusion?

Riiiight.

Oh, yeah, this, too:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB101.html

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).

6/30/2014 5:46:15 PM

Swede

Sure, mutations have never caused an increase in the "survibility" of a species.
The survivability, on the other hand, relies completely on mutations and natural selections.

How would you explain the "grow into an environment" if there is no change, dearie?

6/30/2014 11:53:26 PM

Justanotheratheist

NEVER NEVER NEVER has a fundie written anything remotely sensible about evolution. Or when they have, it has been entirely unintentionally. Like the occasional genius who has said that adaptation occurs, without realizing the implications.

7/1/2014 12:27:54 AM
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