Happymealungen

Papers exists, I'll go with papers.

12/30/2007 10:54:27 PM

Bryan65

Final Score:

Treaty of Tripoli 28, You 0

I'm glad someone's still posting the manure from that website. I need the laughs.

12/30/2007 11:06:42 PM

MiykaelPoly

Discard the crap around the quotes...

"you put your faith (trust) in them expecting a mere written document to guarantee those rights and freedoms, then you are practicing a form of idolatry, which is the worshipping of false gods, and the breaking of the first and most important Commandment. What is the force behind this paper god? Does a piece of paper have the power to protect and defend you, and deliver your enemies into your hands?"

now it sounds right....

12/30/2007 11:37:21 PM

Philbert McAdamia

"It's just a Goddamned piece of paper."___________G.W. Bush

So one sheet of paper means little or nothing, but Hey! if you stack up a whole lot of them, and bind them in a book, now . . . NOW you've got something. Trust me.
Stake eternity on it.

12/30/2007 11:43:31 PM

anevilmeme

Babylonian Hidden Hand system?

12/30/2007 11:48:01 PM

Old Viking

Be charitable. He's fun at parties.

12/31/2007 12:29:42 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Does a piece of paper have the power to protect and defend you, and deliver your enemies into your hands?

Nobody but a fucking idiot would claim that a piece of paper would or could defend them directly. The enforcement of law and the protection of rights is done by consensus and action of human conglomerates. The physical documents that record such things as declarations of independence, bills of rights, constitutions, resolutions, treaties, etc, have a far more mundane purpose, though just as important - they are an acceptably reliable record of decisions and promises that were made by such people. They are nothing more than an aide memoire; their purpose is to ensure the actions of governments remain consistent over time and that, when issues are debated and ruled upon, they can be checked for consistency with the original decisions that were recorded.

Large conglomerations of human beings have great power of action and decision, something a piece of paper does not and could never possess. However, a piece of paper has one great power that human conglomerates, notoriously, do not: precise recollection of the information entrusted to it (well, within reason - it'd still be sensible to keep a few backups and make newer copies from time to time. If you want real longevity there might be other options, perhaps something a little more up to date technologically - etchings on diamonds, perhaps?).

When people cite constitutional amendments, what they are doing is reminding authority (not just the acting authority, but that of anyone who will listen and cares, governors and governed alike, which is the greatest authority of all when roused) just exactly what it agreed it would and would not do for them or against them.

This works as long as people value consistency, fairness and honesty in their government; proving that a government has acted inconsistently with its agreed purpose and principles should, in any healthy society, be a death-blow for that government. If a government is even once shown to be inconsistent in carrying out its purpose, it cannot be trusted. At all.

Remember Orwell's "Memory Hole"? This is precisely what he was on about.

12/31/2007 12:43:07 AM

apYrs

if there is a god, I will look it in the eye and say "you know my life, dare to judge me. Have you the right to judge me? Shall I judge you?

And if, in its power and pride it condemns me to it's hell, I'll spend the rest of eternity looking to bring it low: even if I failed, my righteous hatred would burn its ears for all eternity

12/31/2007 1:06:02 AM

flipper

I would be more willing to blame our current financial and foreign-policy problems on right-wing wingnuts like you and your kindred at Residence Manfiasco for electing our current incompetent crooked Presidunce than our Constitution and "founding fathers" who have worked quite well for over two hundred in spite of dolts like you trying to fuck it up!

12/31/2007 1:58:46 AM

Whydontyou.org.uk

Argh. Why are people like this allowed access to computers...

12/31/2007 2:30:13 AM

Caustic Gnostic

We do not buy the bronze-age dogma. Seeing as how no two "Christian" sects can agree on everything, why add that atmosphere of strife to the real world?

Humanism is the common point of all healthy religions, as well as all the reasonable philosophies.

You don't like humanism? Then fuck off to someplace like Iran.

12/31/2007 2:36:55 AM

Lewisfisher

I've done Political Science class before, and I swear, this guy has some pretty messed up thinking. He doesn't know the difference between Natural Rights (which are God-given), and Civil Rights (which are man-given).

Btw, I've always wondered one thing about these Resistance Manifesto/Radio website things...what the fuck are they trying to resist anyway? Whatever it is, it sounds like CTSTDT material.

12/31/2007 2:38:25 AM

Illuminatalie

Ahh the Babylonian Hidden Hand System. Those who have controlled the world secretly for thousands of years. Those who derive powers from their Nephelim bloodlines. Those who put occult symbols on the American dollar bill, the NBC logo, and videos by Dee-lite. The ultra-secret society that buried treasure in Oak Island, creates anagrams of evil names and assigns them to cultural icons, and who wrote the screenplay for Grease. Fight WITH God AGAINST Atlantis I say!

12/31/2007 2:54:30 AM

GoFast

Babylonian Hidden Hand system?

Ancient masturbation technique? Tell me more!!

12/31/2007 6:51:42 AM

dworkin

Irony meters holding steading. WTFmeter at 80 wotz. All non-essential persons please leave calmly and meet in the parking lot until all clear.

12/31/2007 6:56:59 AM

crazyroper

Well the written documents help insure your freedoms within a society. But I'm not entirely sure what this guy is talking about really.

12/31/2007 7:22:10 AM

If you don't believe in the constitution, go live in the jungle, without this computer, to begin with. And complain and cry "help, we're being persecuted"

12/31/2007 8:37:16 AM

davros

@Whydontyou.org.uk said
Argh. Why are people like this allowed access to computers

i would change that to
Argh. Why are people like this allowed access to Oxygen

12/31/2007 12:38:00 PM

I don't know where my rights come from, but since Scripsum scripti est(whatever written written is it!!!), I prefer to consult the constitution. You know, that thing called reliability.

12/31/2007 12:43:11 PM

Mister Spak

"Does a piece of paper have the power to protect and defend you, and deliver your enemies into your hands?"

Of course not. It's kicking fundie ass until they run away crying to mommy that does that.

12/31/2007 1:43:12 PM

NonProphet

After sifting through the rampant nuttery, I think I've figured out that this guy opposes the Constitution.

I'm guessing he's one of those crazy militia types who doesn't believe in government or law. All the more reason to lock 'im up in a padded room.

12/31/2007 2:34:42 PM

stogoe

The Constitution only has as much weight as its citizens give it. It has no force save what we the people enforce. The strength of a government is not in its documentation but in its citizens.

The Constitution of the United States of America has no strength of its own, but We the People are much stronger than your imaginary god.

12/31/2007 3:31:05 PM

Frank

Anyone remember a quote (or several) on here saying atheists couldn't be patriots, or proper citizens?

12/31/2007 4:23:12 PM

James

Not everyone wants their enemies delivered into their hands. Most people are just happy for their enemies to stay the fuck away. Other than that, yes, a constituion does have those powers.

12/31/2007 5:40:47 PM

Blayze Kohime

That damn Babylonian Hidden Hand system! One day we will have them right where we want them, and then even their papers will not save them!!!1one

12/31/2007 6:38:13 PM