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If it were not for the great Grace of God - there would be unimaginable plagues - no restraining of viruses or bacteria - which is part of the wonderful love of God in our present world. Back in the summer one of the bridges in Minneapolis fell in - with hundreds killed and injured. John Piper ( whose church is in Minneapolis) said God “caused” the bridge to collapse. What a fiery response there was to those comments! It is hard to understand how saying God was absent and the bridge just collapsed by itself is glorifying to God or helpful in any way. It has been reported since then that over 100 bridges have the same defects. Piper is absolutely correct and biblical in saying that the collapse of that bridge was the kindness of God. He is warning people everywhere that death is at the door and eternity is revealed and men everywhere need to repent. He has in his Grace only ordained that 1 bridge collapse. He is keeping those other 100+ bridges in place, otherwise they would ALL collapse.

David Rollins, City Business Church 70 Comments [1/3/2008 4:00:17 PM]
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Whydontyou.org.uk

WTF?

What deluded wingnuttery is this? God's grace "only" killed hundreds? How fucking evil is Rollins' God?

1/3/2008 4:09:44 PM

Frank

Couldn't collapse it at night while there was no on on it?

Or inspire an engineer even?

1/3/2008 4:11:51 PM

approximate

So, that's why governments don't bother with inspecting and maintaining infrastructure...the cross-tian's god is looking after it.


1/3/2008 4:12:06 PM

apYrs

black death, bubonic plague, inflenza pandemics, ebola: yep, the big man certainly is looking out for us!!


But at first sight, not sure whether the site is a pile of poe or not; it feels fundie, but the tongue is firmly wedged where it shouldn't be!

1/3/2008 4:14:10 PM



So, we still have inimaginable plagues, viri, bacteriae and many other problems that we have mitigated in part, thanks to the human research, so what?. Are you saying that God is "selective" with them or what?. And about those bridges, they're built by humans so?. That John Piper selectively never read Jesus in Matt(those who were killed in the Temple are guilty of NOTHING)or the Book of Job. Moreover, he is absolutely stupid. Why one bridge yes, others no?. Why can't he accept that natural phenomena is..............natural?, that accidents happen?. Because if he wanted to do what you claim, he would be killing people every single day and preventing us to find the cure.

1/3/2008 4:25:51 PM

Euclid

@apYrs:

Yeah, I can't tell if it's poe or not. I really hope so. But that's the point of Poe's Law, right? You know there's some wingnut out there who actually believes this pile of merde.

All I have to say is: gee, thanks a lot, God. No offense, but surely an omniscient, omnipotent deity could do a bit better than this?

1/3/2008 4:27:27 PM

Berny

So, in effect, the only evidence of god you are presenting is that plagues, viruses, disasters and catastrophes are not as bad as they could be?
What marvelous evidence of his existence it would be if those same plagues, viruses, disasters and catastrophes simply disappeared.
Hell, I'd settle for just one but I'm not about to hold my breath.

1/3/2008 4:28:40 PM

Vampirehummingbird

I'm not ready for faith-based engineering.

1/3/2008 4:39:55 PM

werewolf

What's hundreds of people killed to Dave Rollins as long as he's not one of them?

Empathy and sympathy does not exist in Christian mythology since god does everything. It's god's sandbox, we're just droppings that sit there and are disposed of when he feels like it.

1/3/2008 4:41:54 PM

aqualung

Hundreds did not die you fuckwit. FAIL.

1/3/2008 5:10:28 PM

Bryan65

In other words, love God or God will kill hundreds more with collapsing bridges.

Rollins, God would like to see you out back.

1/3/2008 5:24:19 PM

emma

Nice way to overlook bad maintaince and bad government, that did not protect people when the bridge was faulty.
I remember Putney Railway Bridge in London was damaged when a boat hit it. For years in was repaired and trains had to go slow,that is what is supposed to happen when a bridge is damaged, peopler are informed and it is fixed, even if it makes people later for work.
And I am share the people of the Twin Cities will be reassured to know all their bridges are in a state of negligent ill-repair.

1/3/2008 5:38:08 PM

Mister Spak

I wasn't struck by lightning yesterday - that was god at work.

1/3/2008 5:44:25 PM

solomongrundy

With friends like John Piper's God who needs enemies?

1/3/2008 5:52:13 PM

David D.G.

So, in other words:

* Diseases and plagues = evidence of God.
* Lack of diseases and plagues = evidence of God.

* Bridges falling = evidence of God.
* Bridges not falling = evidence of God.

Somebody needs to explain to David Rollins exactly why this is a load of bovine fecal matter -- that is, if they can penetrate his Force Field of Ignorance.


~David D.G.

1/3/2008 5:56:09 PM

Caustic Gnostic

Science is the good guy in the fight against epidemics.

Official negligence caused the bridge collapse. It may be luck with the other bridges, or perhaps they were designed better.

"g0d Strikes Again" category.

1/3/2008 5:56:26 PM

Osiris

So how come when religious fervor was at it's hight in Europe in the 1300's a horrible disease called the Black Death killed 1/3 of the population and God didn't stop it?

1/3/2008 6:00:36 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Your god is either incompetent, impotent or a callous, uncaring bastard.

1/3/2008 6:30:52 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"...with hundreds killed and injured ..."

Actually, 13 died. But since when has a fundie ever let the truth get in the way of lying for Jebus?

1/3/2008 6:35:25 PM

Old Viking

Look out! Here comes some of God's grace!

1/3/2008 7:07:34 PM

Mudflappus

God just emailed me to tell me that he hates your guts Mr. Rollins. He also wanted me to tell you that when he wants your opinion about engineering bridges He'll drop you a line but otherwise shut the hell up.

1/3/2008 7:14:54 PM

David G

He has in his grace collapsed the bridge killing and injuring hundreds. Yep, sounds just like the god of Abraham...

1/3/2008 7:23:45 PM

Caustic Gnostic

Yeah, when was the last "act of God" that didn't kill, maim, or otherwise destroy?

Please?

Anyone?

1/3/2008 7:43:42 PM



So, whatever happens is an act of God. So, what's the point?

1/3/2008 8:02:31 PM

xplicit_UK

Thank you David, this is what we call an Appeal to consequences. It's a logical fallacy, of course, but don't let that stop you.

By the way, you're not making a great case for your god.

1/3/2008 8:24:43 PM
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