[This whole page of comments is full of ID nuggets of darndedness.]
If you ask me, it takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution than creation. The Bible isn't a science textbook, but when it touches on matters of science it is remarkably accurate. Isaiah 40:22 says "There is one who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,"... this was written a long time before "enlightened" man thought the world was flat. People want to believe in evolution, so they aren't accountable to anyone.
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Fuck you're stupid.
You read "Discworld" much?
The bible was written by barely literate barbarians, who still thought comets were harbingers of doom, and that an eclipse was the end of the world.
Science and discoveries have shown that comets are just dirty balls of ice traveling in a predictable path, and that eclipses are perfect celestial alignments.
if you or your food-group want to rely on something written during a time of ignorance, far be it from me to stop you. But put away your computer, get rid of your internet, phones, TVs, cars, bikes, bus passes, as none of these are mentioned in that bible either, so I guess they aren't real and don't exist in your micro-universe.
If you want my opinion, which you probably don't, saying something is a circle is saying it is flat. A circle is a 2D shape, whereas as a sphere is a 3D shape.
The Book of Revelation (most beloved of fundies) refers to angels being stationed at the 'four corners of the earth'. In the same book at Christ's appearance in the sky 'every eye will see him', impossible if the earth is spheroid.
Its final verses deal with the fate of anyone who add to or takes away anything from the book, which is the usual eternal damnation.
So a true Christian should claim the earth is flat and quadrangular.
People had thought that Earth was flat since the Sumerians, at least. It was "enlightment" which actually recovered the idea that the earth was ROUNDED AND SPHERIC. It takes a lot of faith..................to believe what you believe, and you're the proof.
@Solomongrundy
Anyway back to this amazing piece of well thought out twoodle. Once again all I see from the ID/Creation 'A-Team' is that there arguments rely on dismissing evolution but never proving their own 'evidence'.
I must ask a question though. Ive bumped into this "It takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution blah blah" before; I classify it in the same category as "Christianity isnt a religion". Where the hell has all this drivel come from? Is there some notable fundie that I have missed out on as they blatantly try to 'redefine' their religion to make it more appealing to the masses?
In conclusion Davina unfortunately you fail. I see no other choice but to confine you for the rest of your life, to the life that you have chosen to lead. Enjoy :)
"The Bible isn't a science textbook...."
Correct! Now please, quit while you're ahead.
"..but when it touches on matters of science it is remarkably accurate."
Couldn't stop while you were ahead of the game could you? Without the Bible we wouldn't know that insects have 4 legs, pi=3, bats are fowls, the Earth has 4 corners, et al.
'it takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution than creation'
'this was written a long time before "enlightened" man thought the world was flat.'
'People want to believe in evolution, so they aren't accountable to anyone.'
Ho-hum. Happy new year to everyone, and let's make 2008 the year the rapture happens!
This gives stupid a bad name. Fucking retarded imbecile is still an understatement.
People never thought the world was flat - this was a myth made up in the late nineteenth century to mock the people of antiquity. Does "Davina" think people didn't have hills in the past?
However what really seems odd is the idea that the "circle of the earth" doesn't actually imply it is flat. Or does Davina think it is flat?
Stupid really does hurt.
The same Hebrew word was used in Proverbs, and translated in the KJB as "compass":
Pro 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth"
Besides, the whole verse he's quoting is
"[It is] He [God] that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; [God] that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
If He spreads out the heavens "as a tent to dwell in", it doesn't sound like the Bible is talking about a sphere. It sounds like the authors thought the earth was just what Genesis described and many ancients believed: that the earth was a kind of "snow globe"; a flat area covered over by a clear "firmament" above which was water (which made the sky blue).
BTW, the Indians (in India) wrote of a spherical earth around the same time Isaiah was written.
Ummmm...
Do you know the difference between a circle and a sphere?
Oblate spheroid actually, but I won't nitpick.
Well, I didn't ask you. If anything, your quote from Isaiah shows that people of that time thought of the earth as essentially two-dimensional. Remember, a circle isn't a sphere.
I "want to believe" in the ToE because it is the best supported explanation for the diverse flora and fauna in our world. I am accountable to many people and organizations, just not your imaginary friend.
Well, I didn't ask you. If anything, your quote from Isaiah shows that people of that time thought of the earth as essentially two-dimensional. Remember, a circle isn't a sphere.
I "want to believe" in the ToE because it is the best supported explanation for the diverse flora and fauna in our world. I am accountable to many people and organizations, just not your imaginary friend.
P.S. What does your biblical circle idea do to the passages in Revelation which talk about the 4 corners of the earth?
You are a dolt, evolution does not mean that one believes that one is not accountable to legal, moral, or physical laws(that would be televangelists and Kent Hovind).
"The Bible isn't a science textbook, but when it touches on matters of science it is remarkably accurate."
Grrrrrrr! Shit like this makes me so furious. Multiple times have I logged into Christian forums to give them a piece of mind and believe you me, I wasn't (always) offensive.
The last time I did it I had my girlfriend proof read it for Offensiveness and she didn't think it was.
Can I just point out, since this excuse seems to be used a lot to discredit scientists, that scientists is the middle ages did not believe the earth was flat. There used to be a show on history channel (addicted to HC) called The Middle Ages that focused on different careers during the middle ages. We think that they thought the earth was flat because they had these oddly drawn maps that led people to believe that they thought the earth was flat. In actuality, it was just an attempt for them to make as accurate an estimation of size and location as they could.
No clown, it takes more 'faith' for you to believe you have invisible friends then it does for me to believe HARD EVIDENCE. AKA FACTS!
The Law OF Evolution is just that, The LAW. It is the final word regarding our existence and origins.
"The Bible isn't a science textbook"
Nooooo! Say it ain't so! It's been lying to us all this time?! [/sarcasm]
"but when it touches on matters of science it is remarkably accurate. Isaiah 40:22 says "There is one who is dwelling above the circle of the earth,"..."
Care to comment on said 'accuracy' of the Bible, when on April 12 1961, Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space?:
'I looked and looked, but I didn't see God.
Thus at a single stroke science (and Soviet science, at that) destroyed Creation in Genesis cosmologically.
...and every fundie started moving the goalposts Scripturally. Hell, you lot must have metaphorical arms like Atlas's by now. And never mind moving said goalposts, to say nothing of the shitloads of evidence for evolution which effectively effectely destroys Genesis biologically, once the LHC does what it was built to do, you're going to have to move the entire field.
It doesn't take any faith whatsoever to accept evolution, as it has been observed, we have literally mountains of evidence for it, and Darwin's predictions match later discoveries like DNA.
Remarkably accurate? So, the world has four corners, there is a canopy above it with stars affixed to it, rabbits really chew the cud, and if goats mate in front of striped or spotted poles, they will beget striped or spotted offspring?
A circle IS flat, silly!
People accept science and reality, so they are accountable to secular law.
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