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Do you know what medical students are exposed to as they are learning about medicine? In one college course, students were required to "examine" other stripped down students! This is abominable. Is it worth it to go through that kind of education and ignore God's Word? Looking on nakedness is a shameful and intolerable thing. And most employment for doctors and nurses requires looking on other people's nakedness (bathing patients, giving shots, operating, examining, etc.) What will we do as people who have been bought at the very high price of the blood of God? What will be most important to us? Our careers... or our integrity as priests of God?

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old comment by ZugTheMegasaurus

First off, I don't believe your claims about the class. No one as ignorant as you are has any way of knowing anything that goes on in a med school classroom.

Second, who are you to claim that the bodies that your precious god created are so horrific that someone who looks at them is forever tainted? The Bible says that after god created the human bodies, he said that they were very good. It seems to me that you'll be the one incurring wrath for insulting them, while your god would rather favor those who dedicate their lives to healing people.

Third, I certainly hope that you have never and will never utilize the services of any doctor or nurse. Any sort of surgery is definitely out, as are many physical exams. Because otherwise, you know, you'd be at some sort of record-breaking level of hypocrisy.

old comment by Mike

Do you know what medical students are exposed to as they are learning about medicine?

Do you?

In one college course, students were required to "examine" other stripped down students!

Your source. Otherwise, you're lying.

This is abominable. Is it worth it to go through that kind of education and ignore God's Word? Looking on nakedness is a shameful and intolerable thing.

O NOES!

And most employment for doctors and nurses requires looking on other people's nakedness (bathing patients, giving shots,

Giving shots? You mean on the ass? If so, you're a wimp.

operating, examining, etc.)

No shit, Sherlock. Docs do look a bodies. It's what they do.

What will we do as people who have been bought at the very high price of the blood of God?

Ignore your whining.

What will be most important to us? Our careers... or our integrity as priests of God?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present, Man Not Caring.

old comment by NecroVMX

"Do you know what medical students are exposed to as they are learning about medicine?"

Medicine?

"In one college course, students were required to "examine" other stripped down students!"

Good lord, they might see a boob!

"This is abominable."

It smells bad?

"Is it worth it to go through that kind of education and ignore God's Word?"

Yes, because it helps when a patient comes in with cooter problems that the doctor doesn't jam his hands over his eyes and start praying loudly

"Looking on nakedness is a shameful and intolerable thing."

You're born naked, is it a sin for the doctor to examine a newborn?

"And most employment for doctors and nurses requires looking on other people's nakedness"

So doctors and nurses must be evil, right?

"(bathing patients, giving shots, operating, examining, etc.)"

All awful, sinfull things, right?

"What will we do as people who have been bought at the very high price of the blood of God?"

So don't go to the doctor when you start feeling unwell. You'll just not live as long, which is fine with the rest of us.

"What will be most important to us? Our careers... or our integrity as priests of God?"

Even priests get prostate exams.

old comment by Septic Sceptic

"What will be most important to us? Our careers... or our integrity as priests of God?"

Fear not, Christian doctors-to-be everywhere! For I have found the perfect compromise to this issue! Simply perform all procedures while blindfolded! You can be Christlike- saving lives and healing the sick- without having to look upon any of the filthy, filthy rude parts of the human form.

Now of course some gentlemen may be slightly alarmed as they lie down for their vasectomy, only to spot the doctor lurching blindly towards the table with a bag over his head and scalpel in hand. Ladies too, about to undergo surgery of the chest area, may well look askance at a surgeon who dons a mask which covers the eyes instead of the mouth. To these persons I say- worry not! For these are decent, pure Christian doctors, sworn to restore good humours to you. It is just that the nature of your illness requires them to do so without looking at the vile, corrupting, private parts of your disgusting anatomy in order to maintain this same purity.

Oh, and MysticalChicken? Fuck yeah! You win an internets from me just for that video.

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Confusing the gun with the killer. Nakedness per se is natural and normal. Most animals, babies and some human beings living in certain parts of the world are naked. The reason why we're not naked is cultural and, as such, is conditionated by factors. If you have to save a person's life, modesty is not an issue. Let's put it this way. My cousin, who's a doctor, had to examine a very ugly spot I had in the skin, just in case it was a tumor. Of course, we've not become harlots or lesbians because of that. My brother, on the other hand, is an artist and had to paint me naked when he was at fine arts school. He's married, two kids and there hasn't been an incest issue or whatever. Nakedness is perfectly natural, and yes, even if natural doesn't necessarily mean good in some cases, we're not perverts for watching people naked.

old comment by AK

Please don't rip apart Wendy for this, she's a wonderful lady who actually has a decent head on her shoulders. She also doesn't happen to be nearly as "fundie" (at least in a negative way :P ) as she's made out to be by this single quote. I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet or not, but the preceding paragraph was this ~ ((QUOTE)) This doesn't mean avoid doctors. But wouldn't it be wise to at least consider seeing a doctor of the same gender as you? And wouldn't it be okay to remain with clothes on if possible? Isn't it your choice? The medical profession consists of servants that we hire for their opinions. They are never to be our bosses, that we cower in front of, regardless of how they speak or carry themselves. They are simply information-for-hire, no more. God is God. They are not. Some things, of course, can't be avoided, such as operating room settings where everything must be sterile so no street clothes are allowed. But can't we at least be aware that we don't have to "buy" into a lie that says nakedness is fine, if it involves the medical world? Shouldn't we reject the lie that we dare not question nudity in a doctor's office because, afterall, everything "appears" so professional and sterile and safe? Let's have discernment and sensitivity about such things. ((END QUOTE))

old comment by Sarah

"Please don't rip apart Wendy for this, she's a wonderful lady who actually has a decent head on her shoulders."

I highly doubt that.

"But wouldn't it be wise to at least consider seeing a doctor of the same gender as you?"

No, that's stupidity. You go to the doctor with the best education and practice, regardless of gender.

"And wouldn't it be okay to remain with clothes on if possible?"

Well, if you have a big honking mole on your back, it can't be removed unless you take your shirt off. And how about that OBGYN office? The majority of visits to the doctor do not involve taking your clothes off, OK? But if you want breast or prostate cancer to go unchecked, that's your choice.

"The medical profession consists of servants that we hire for their opinions. They are never to be our bosses, that we cower in front of, regardless of how they speak or carry themselves."

No, doctors are individuals who have sacrificed countless hours of study and internship in order to "serve" those who are sick. When people seek out a doctor, they are looking for help. If the doctor tells you to take a cough syrup for your cold, are you going to argue with him/her about it? Maybe you should let the guy/gal with three or four degrees from accredited universities do their job properly. If not, don't go to the doctor's office if you are looking for opinions you don't want to hear.

"God is God. They are not."

God is a myth. Doctors are not.

"But can't we at least be aware that we don't have to 'buy' into a lie that says nakedness is fine, if it involves the medical world?"

Uh, you do know that babies are born naked, right? If "God" thought nakedness was sin, why doesn't he equip these kids with the proper attire? Maybe some Marc Jacobs?

"Shouldn't we reject the lie that we dare not question nudity in a doctor's office because, afterall, everything 'appears' so professional and sterile and safe? Let's have discernment and sensitivity about such things."

I worked in a doctor's office for six years. Both my sisters are medical professionals. The majority of people who work in doctor's offices are trained professionals in interpersonal and medical skills. The topic of people being/getting naked for procedures is not overlooked.

Some medical procedures involve the taking off of clothing. There is nothing "wrong" about this, except the individual having irrational "guilt" over it. There is nothing sexual about it - like I said, doctors are trained about these things. In fact, proper medical procedure calls for a female assistant to be in a room when a female patient gets undressed - regardless of the gender of the doctor. That was standard procedure at the office I worked at, and I heard no complaints about people getting naked.

But like I said, if your friend would rather let people suffer than be properly cared for, that doesn't say a whole lot about her character.

old comment by Kissy-chan

HOW DID THE FUNDIES GET IN HERE?

What the FUCK is this drivel above my post? Has anyone noticed that

1)the fundie's post takes up fully HALF of this page, and it's not even relevant to the thread,
2)it's a giant preachy pile of turds, and
3)the person in question didn't even have the cojones to sign it?

I'll get nekkid for my doc, and be healthy. So screw you and your god, anonymous asshat and What Really Is The Truth? (that asshole linked his post to GodTube...bleh)

You keep holding on to your 'integrity', and die from the Black Death or cholera or some other third-world country disease because it's a 'sin' to get naked before those debbil-docs, 'kay?

old comment by Foomin

Oh noes! Med schools are teaching would-be doctors how to be doctors!

Art school sometimes receives similar flak. I'm reminded of a story my friend told me, about a classmate he had who was married and said that he couldn't take the figure drawing classes they offered because apparently looking at nude woman who wasn't his wife was "sinful." Because God forbid that anyone should be able to learn anatomy.

The local Wal-Mart here refused to print one of my classmates figure drawing sketches because, and I quote, "Wal-Mart does not approve of pornography." LOLWHUT.

Though thankfully a lot of Christians are smart about this sorta thing. This one Mormon girl I take classes with was willing to draw nudes because she knew that the model was, you know, a tool for learning rather than a tool for blasphemy.

old comment by favor

dear author, i do appreciate how you feel at doctor's glaring at other's naked body or at least see and probably touch them. it is human to feel somehow especially if nakednes is well treasured by you, which is correct
but the issue here is that doctor's professional simply puts, require that, otherwise, they can't work or perform to save people and that will result in worse things like increase in death tolls.
we got to turn away our minds and just accept it as neccessary when having to thru such trauma. we got no option, do we? and doctors, note of warning!!! most have been used to fletting bcos of this. learn to control your mind and be professional in your work. and if you cant cope with maitaining your mind purity as a christian doctor, simply quit and do another profesion you are comfortable with. thank you

old comment by Bri

.... Are you afraid to appear naked because there is a little something wrong downstairs that you are to ashamed to show....?

So you want us to all go back to being plagued with disease and deaths running rampant just so we can be closer to the invisible man in the sky that we know won't help us?

You know when someone won't help you with something so you get up and do it yourself? That is what we are doing with medicine.

If you want something done right, do it yourself because 'God' ain't doing shit.

We have done more than God ever has. We have HELPED ourselves more than God ever has, because GOD DOES NOT HELP.

It's the EMS, nurses, doctors, and surgeons that perform miracles, not this flaw of a creation in the sky.

old comment by Swede

Medical students who have never seen a naked body (except their own in the mirror), OUGHT TO look at naked bodies during their studies, because they are going to have to look at the naked bodies of patients later on, and the patients want doctors and nurses to be professional instead of shocked.

Neither doctor nor nurses will be bathing patients. That's for orderlies to do.

You are free to refuse healthcare if you want to, Jesus-lovers. We normal and sane people prefer to be treated and cured when we are ill, over being "modest" and dead.

I was at my local health center last week, to check my high blood-pressure. The nurse had a student with her, and asked if it was OK for the student to accompany her, then if it was OK for the student to do the procedure, then if it was OK if she discussed the procedure with the student. In short, she asked for each specific step, and made sure I was OK with each step. I was OK with it all; I want there to be nurses when I get old and will probably need them more, and for that to happen, there have to be students now.

old comment by Keith

There have been times in history that doctors did not see naked women.
If he examined a woman, she wore a loose robe or blamket. He groped her blindly. Touching, feeling and squeezing the flesh directly, but at least he did not see her nude.

Nudity taboos are stupid. I far prefer a doctor who has seen so much skin that he or she ignores it to concentrate on the diagnosis.

I had a leg infection two weeks ago. The doctor eas a woman, and actually kind of cute. Or so i thought until she shoved my balls out of the way to check the extent of the redness on my thigh.
I really prefer that she check stuff like that rather than miss a critical detail...

But, hey, you can always just stay in you bed and pray for relief. I got antibiotics and saline drip, but if prayer works for you, go for it.

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