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[After being asked whether he seriously believes it was fair of God to have bears maul 42 youths for calling Elisha a bald guy]

Absolutely. A prophet, by definition, is the mouthpiece of God used by Him to declare the judgment that will come upon certain nations or areas (foretelling and forthtelling). The youths were aware of this. Why the strict judgment? They were openly mocking who they knew to be the prophet of the nations, and they were unknowingly mocking God Himself by doing so. These youths came from the city - that implies knowledge of who Elisha claimed to be. They were sarcastically taunting and insulting the Lord's prophet by telling him to repeat Elijah's translation ("go up"). Mocking one who has a mission to proclaim God's judgment is not a smart idea. Thus, the youths were judged.

Received, Christian Forums 15 Comments [8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Papabear

Why would anyone worship a god who had 42 kids mauled to death by bears simply for taunting someone about his baldness. God, the omnipotent, omniscient, good and loving deity, the God who is said to be love itself, should be at least a wee bit above youthful mocking.
I assert that anyone stupid and cruel enough to defend such an action is a social primitive and a dangerously sociopathic person.

2/24/2006 12:43:17 AM

Redhunter

Do we know that the kids knew he was a profit, er prophet? How is the repeating of a phrase and the mocking of male-pattern baldness worthy of death for one, much less 42? Did every single kid make a comment? Is the inflated ego of god so fragile that he dooms 42 kids to be mauled to death by bears? Harsh, maybe? A little over the top?

First of all, I don't see how 2 bears could capture and kill all 42 boys. Doesn't seem likely that the bears would have the firepower to take down that many. But it is the supposed moral that is the sticking point with a lot of folk.

\"you're bald,\" is countered with, ripped limb from limb by an enraged bear. It doesn't really surprise me that god nailed his kid to a tree.

6/30/2006 11:16:13 AM

David D.G.

Papabear, obviously this was intended to be a case of \"tough love.\" You've got to bear down when trouble is bruin among the kids.


~David D.G.

6/30/2006 2:07:42 PM

Redhunter

David.....you should apologize for the bad puns. ;)

shame shame.

7/5/2006 11:14:37 AM

David D.G.

Au contraire, Redhunter; your groans and admonitions are my applause, which acknowledge by taking a bow!


~David D.G.

7/5/2006 4:21:21 PM

Julian

But everyone knows male pattern baldness is God's punishment for having too much testosterone, so the children were right to mock him!

7/6/2006 4:13:51 AM

Tormentor of Religion

Ok. Since you're apparently a prophet, I'll call YOU bald. There. Now where's my 2 bears?

4/4/2009 7:14:33 AM

Clown

Now, the real question is: what was added during translations: number 2 or number 4?
Question number two: were children that stupid as not a single one ran for help? If so, then I call that natural selection, not god.

4/4/2009 7:21:09 AM

Lizuka

God's awfully petty if he kills 40 people over daring to call a friend of his bald.

10/7/2010 3:27:50 AM



If your god thought being bald was such an embarrassment then he shouldn't have taken that fucker's hair. But I guess throwing 42 lives away to wild animals was easier than reversing hair loss. And then these christ fuckers complain about Romans throwing them to the lions.

10/7/2010 8:16:24 AM

GigaGuess

Yeah, that'll show them not to fuck with a God of Love and Mercy.

10/7/2010 9:25:36 AM

Swede

What about the Commandment "Thou shalt not kill"?

10/7/2010 11:50:53 AM

ColorAndSound

Because of course, a single insult is worthy of mass child murder. *rolls eyes* Stupidity at its best.

10/19/2010 4:47:32 PM



But why kill them? A stern talking to, a bit of flogging or going without dinner would also be a judgement and a punisment, but one they could actually learn something from.

10/20/2010 2:34:33 AM

Masker

I've heard that there are translations issues with that parrticular story. I may be wrong , but it seems that the original meaning was that those "kids" were actually youths (teenagers) and that mocking Elisha was a threat before attacking him. In that case, sending bears to defend him seems more reasonable. 42 teenagers are perfectly able to kill an adult man, especially if he is old enough to start going bald.

Received's argument, however, makes no sense. There is no reason to believe that those youths were aware of who Elisha was and killing them for calling someone bald it is too much of an overkill in this context. Again, the Old Testament God is very different from the God Jesus talked about, so standards have changed a lot since then.

10/20/2010 6:11:56 AM
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