On all such forums Creationists are outnumbered. This means the Atheists and Evolutionists can mostly control the direction of the discussion, and this direction is then always some scientific detail. They lead us onto the scientific terrain and slaughter us there. We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with logic.
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Examples of Creationist Logic:
> The Bible is the Word of God. It says so in the Bible.
> Only an idiot would think we came from slime.
> If we evolved from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys?
> If evolution is true, how come we don't see monkeys driving cars and buying houses?
> God didn't need evolution - He got it right the first time.
> People only believe in evolution so they don't have to answer to God.
> Hitler believed in evolution.
> Darwin renounced it on his death bed.
Feel free to add to the list :-)
"We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with logic."
He's got the first half right, anyway. What ClearSky fails to recognize is that logic is on the same side as the scientific arguments, because science is an enterprise that is itself based on logic -- unlike religion, which is based on ignoring and denying logic (as well as science) at all costs.
~David D.G.
Let's see.
They cannot dispute evidence. So they blindfold themselves.
Now they create their own 'logic'.
They've just tied their hands behind their own backs.
The fight just got even easier.
How many times must you be "slaughtered" before you wake up and realize you're wrong?
You remind me of this kid I went to grade school with. He'd pick a fight with this other kid who was bigger than he was, get a shit-kicking, then pick another fight with the big kid two weeks later.
"We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with bad logic."
You almost had it there. Unfortunately, science is needed to lend weight to your assumptions (and you will make assumptions). As you already said though, it is there you will be slaughtered.
The simple fact is that Creationism, for all that many hold it dear, is wrong, wrong wrong. The world is a lot older than creationism allows. This flies in the face to the evidence. It shows minds that have shut themselves to learning and knowledge. If there is a Creator, he wasted his time giving some people brains, for they fail to develop intellects.
Win with logic?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Then "slaughter" is an understatement.
You know that wood chipper scene in "Fargo"?
Put it this way, we won't be like the guy in the wood chipper.
Logic, Creationist style:
An appeal to ignorance, paranoia, doubt and guilt.
We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments...
What's that you say, Frankie?
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...but we can win with logic.
Fundy Word Redefinition Project:
logic, n. my desire for something to be true
We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with logic.
That would be a novel approach. It has not been tried yet. Why don't you give it your best shot?
Here's some fun logic.
God created Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve had 2 sons and three daughters. And thus human was created but in the bibles logic we are all cousins. Now my memory is a bit sketchy but last time i remember incest is a sin. So how can GOD'S children live on and be excepted into heaven if to keep his children alive we must sin. Answer we can't so by the bible to survive we must sin and be damned to hell or die. So why would GOD, who is supposed to love all his children, want us to die. Why would he make us chose between sinning by incest or sinning by killing off his children. Answer because if GOD is real he obviously hates us and the bible says so. I chose not to worship something that might not be there that hates us that much.
We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with logic.
Only if logic has come to mean "Batshit Insanity".
If you had logic on your side, it would not matter how many of them there are. Unfortunately, you don't, they do.
No, don't even try, because every time a fundie tries to use scientific arguments or logic, they fail. Inevitably.
We may be bat shit crazy, but we'll whup their asses with our sanity.
We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with logic.
Go for it!
"We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments,"
As has been proven every time someone takes intelligent design to court...
"but we can win with logic."
Um, no. Not 'win.' Maybe you mean 'convince ourselves,' there?
Because Creationists do not use actual logic. They either start at the end, with the conclusion that 'creationism has been proven true,' and move backwards, selecting arguments that lead to the conclusion they desire...
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They start with a faulty assumption. "If Evolution Were True," they'll say, then proceed to demonstrate that they have no idea what Evolutionary theory actually says, so their 'if true' conclusions will all be faulty.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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