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Here is an example that parallels the absurdities of evolution. Say that I took a TV, and I smashed it into tiny little pieces. If I poured those pieces into a huge container, would I have a chance of forming that TV again. The same for evolution. How is it possible that tiny particles formed debris to even start the process? Better yet how did those particles get there in the first place? What are the chances of one particle forming all that we see today?

Motor City Christian, Christian Forums 24 Comments [6/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Redhunter

What is it about comparing broken electronics to primordial soup that you don't get? Instead of coming up with inane analogies, learn of the argument that you are trying to refute?

6/26/2006 12:40:54 PM

David D.G.

Ditto what Redhunter said.


~David D.G.

6/26/2006 6:12:12 PM

Crosis

Last I checked, TVs don't build themselves. And yet a single cell will replicate itself, and under the right conditions it's possible to form the key building blocks for a cell spontaneously. Hence the analogy fails.

6/27/2006 3:35:40 AM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

A smashed TV will not create a new TV. For that, like I said to some other idiot fundie, you need GENES.

11/23/2007 6:52:49 PM

Sverdrup

Ever noticed that the evolution is about living creatures? Or are you to stupid to notice?

11/24/2007 10:05:00 AM

Freboy

This argument must have been thrown at evolution thousands of times. Motor could have looked on any homepage and found the answers.

But I guess arrogance and ignorance is part of what makes them fundies...

11/24/2007 10:19:00 AM

Lithp

That's like saying I can cut up a human being & expect it to develop into another human being.

EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

11/24/2007 2:04:16 PM

Viva

Morbo, would you be so kind?

EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

Thank you morbo.

11/24/2007 2:09:46 PM

Tempus

Televisions don't breed, because they're not alive, whereas living organisms do. That is all.

11/24/2007 2:11:07 PM

anti-nonsense

Fortunately evolution doesn't form complex things in one go, evolution is gradual and thus can build complex things from simpler things step by small step over many generations and many millions of years.

11/24/2007 2:11:41 PM

RapturedbyBlondie

Suppose that TVs fucked and had baby TVs. Suppose, furthermore, that baby TVs resemble their parents, with minor random variations. Suppose that there is fierce competition for surival among TVs, and between TVs and other electronics, so that only a fraction of TVs actually survive and produce yet more TVs similar to them. Suppose, again, that we have the remains of earlier forms of TVs, a whole list of them, and that as the record comes closer to our time, they become more sophisticated and more similar to modern TVs. Suppose that certain features of modern TVs used to make sense with earlier technology and layout, but are largely useless now, or would be more practical if set in a different way.

Obviously, all of this would be overwhelming evidence for an intelligent creator, right?

8/12/2011 8:29:48 AM

Fishape

Nice analogy. It also works to disprove the THEORY!!! of human growth:

If I took piles of food, mother's milk, and baby food and poured those pieces into a huge container with a squashed, unfertilized egg cell and shone a lamp on it all, would I have a chance of forming a grown human. The same for evolution.

11/23/2011 10:38:41 AM



tv sets do not reproduce. parallel ? not really.

The answer you are searching for is chemistry.

11/23/2011 11:25:20 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Hey, this is good! Brand new, makes perfect sense, and is not at all like the Tornado in a Junkyard one. I'm almost convinced.



Almost.




Well, no, not really. Not by a long shot.

11/23/2011 11:57:43 PM

Tempus

So you're saying that chemistry is impossible, then? Good to know.

11/24/2011 12:46:11 AM

Pro-Christian Anti-Fundie

That's like saying that smashing up a human and leaving them in a basket would disprove evolution, since he OBVIOUSLY didn't reform into a human being. Evolution does not work like that. At all.

12/12/2011 12:44:24 AM

Quantum Mechanic

What are the chances you are too stupid to find your own food in the woods?

4/30/2013 4:49:40 PM



Sorry, but your example only parallels a straw man of evolution. Try again.

4/30/2013 5:05:19 PM

Justanotheratheist

A TV is not a living thing, you idiot. Like your brain, come to think of it.

5/1/2013 3:05:00 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Chains of amino acids have been seen forming spontaneously. And, since chains of amino acids form the building blocks of...

What was that? Oh, just the goalposts being moved, again

5/18/2013 7:20:20 AM

Hal Jordan

A TV is not a living creature, fuckwit. Try again.

5/18/2013 7:37:38 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Here is an example that parallels the absurdities of evolution. Say that I took a TV, and I smashed it into tiny little pieces. If I poured those pieces into a huge container, would I have a chance of forming that TV again."

Nanotechnology. Give it a few decades. Next question.

(*Is reminded of a comic strip by "Dirty Pair" comics artist Adam Warren, on a future PlayStation having the ability to upgrade itself - and not just firmware-wise.*) [/hyper-smartarse]

"The same for evolution. How is it possible that tiny particles formed debris to even start the process? Better yet how did those particles get there in the first place? What are the chances of one particle forming all that we see today?"

Like I say: Nanotechnology. The ability for extremely small machines to manipulate individual atoms. Give it a few decades. Next question II.

(*Is reminded of a "Dirty Pair" comics series by Adam Warren, detailing how one of the heroines Yuri (or Kei) is being formed by nanomachines*) [/mega-smartarse]

5/18/2013 10:16:30 AM

Canadiest

Notice he went from particles to one lone particle at the end?
One more paragraph and he'd be at the nothing canard

5/19/2013 6:26:11 AM

Swede

Say that my TV and your TV got friendly and had a little TV baby... That's your problem, right there; evolution is all about changes over time, through random mutations in fetuses and natural selection of which individuals are able to have offspring. TVs don't start as fetuses and they don't give birth to any offspring.

Evolution is not about the beginning, it's only about adaptation of EXISTING life.

5/20/2013 6:37:51 AM
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