Humans did not evolve from monkeys, apes or any other creature. You know why?
Because there's a thing on the right side of your brain called the frontal lobe. That part of your brain registers time, intelligences,
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This disproves evolution how? Nobody ever said humans evolved from monkeys or apes...
It's interesting that you use this argument, and don't just go with how humans don't have a full body covering of hair like monkeys and apes, there's a difference! Wooh!
Evolution means things are going to change, right? So one species having something that another doesn't, in no way disproves evolution! Yay!
WELL WTF IS THE FRONT LOBE DOING ON THE RIGHT?
"No other creature on earth has a frontal lobe"
bs, how could monkeys be so smart if they don't have this lobe which allegedly does everything?
"only humans know guns kill them"
that's because most animals don't watch movies where guns shoot people. Not to mention that no baby would ever suspect such a thing, because IT IS NOT PART OF OUR SPECIES.
"No other creature on earth has a frontal lobe."
Next time you post, first do a quick wikipedia search. The frontal lobe is found in MAMMALS.
You FAIL!
They're a common commodity. Sorry. What other species don't have are good, stylish pornography, and professional football.
"Wow, check out the frontal lobes on that babe."
Forgive, please. I couldn't resist.
Even if that WERE true, Fred M. Hunter -- which it isn't -- how does that disprove common ancestry?
Other apes don't have opposable thumbs, but that doesn't mean that opposable thumbs aren't an adaptation that could arise easily.
Oddly enough if an animal lives through a painful or tramatic experience, they learn from it. A dog hit by a car will typically stay out of the street for a long time after. Seems to me that this is a learned behavior and pretty much makes your argument null and void. The key componant here is that they survive to learn.
"You could point a gun at any creature and it doesn't know it could kill them, Only humans do."
Not true. If the human in question doesn't know what a gun is (i.e was raised without ever having that knowledge imparted upon it), if you pointed a gun at that person, they wouldn't know WTF is was or what it could do. Animals are the same, but since we can't communicate verbally with them as you can another person, they'd learn via experience.
My dad accidentally shot the family dog with a BB-gun once. Ever since then, you point a toy gun at it (could be a different size and colour too), it would growl at you threateningly and if you actually pulled the trigger, it'd pounce on you (I learnt that the hard way).
Animals are capable of reasoning too. Just not as much as a normal person, so if you see it happen, you may not recognise it for what it is.
ok, let's assume for a moment that humans are the only creatures with frontal lobes. that still doesn't disprove evolution.
it seems your argument is null and void.
The frontal lobe is located in the front of your brain, not the right. Furthermore, time is an illusion we created; it doesn't actually exist. There is only now, it is only because we have 'memory' of events that have come to pass that we anticipate the events of the future. This will all come to a startling end, you will see... just try not to hold on to your beliefs too strongly.
No other creature on earth has a frontal lobe.
Oh really?
From Nature Neuroscience 5, 272 - 276 (2002)
"We compared the relative size of the frontal cortices in living specimens of several primate species, including all extant hominoids, using magnetic resonance imaging. Human frontal cortices were not disproportionately large in comparison to those of the great apes."
Yet another attempt at fundie BS shot down by actual data.
Monkeys, apes or any other creature know the significance of the bared fangs and unsheathed claws of a tiger on the hunt.
Since you seem to have a transverse brain (frontal lobes facing right), answer me then: How do you know that the sun will rise tomorrow? What is death? Does it occur when all physical activity ends or when the brain stops functioning? Consider a person with ALS who is still sentient and coherent and, on the other extreme, you, brain-dead Fred.
And what does weather (good or bad) have anything to do with the position of your frontal lobes?
First, get a gods damned dictionary!
Also, we are TAUGHT that guns are dangerous. There have been many instances of when someone has pointed a gun at a another human who has had no contact with outside influences (take the invasion of the Americas by Europeans) who didn't know a gun from a stick.
If you are going to try to use examples, think first, ok?
The frontal lobe is an area in the brain of mammals. Located at the front of each cerebral hemisphere, frontal lobes are positioned in front of (anterior to) the parietal lobes. The temporal lobes are located beneath and behind the frontal lobes.Link
Eleven seconds on Wikipedia. That's the length of time it would have taken to keep you from looking like a dumbass.
Yeah right. Frontal lobes don't do everything fool (temporal does some of it) and other great apes have them well developed jackass. I also hate it when people say one part of the brain does so and so. It can vary, a part of the brain we associate with let us say one trait can be damaged and affect another.
This argument goes against fundie beliefs because they think the soul and feelings are something special and not found in any physical body. Yeah right, ridiculous.
You are very special mentally. Have a special shiny gold star my dear, special kind of special, Fred.
Wow. That has to be close to critical fail density.
- Frontal lobe. Say it slowly: *front*al lobe. Where do you think it might be? Again: *front*al lobe.Registers... intelligences ? Que?such as you know a persons English: it's a nice language -- do you speak it?No other creature on earth has a frontal lobe That's a big claim. It would be really helpful to your credibility if there was, oh I don't know, say, some way to check that. Like, maybe, a big book that contained information about a specific subject, or maybe a big book that contained brief overviews of lots of subjects, or even ... shit, how about, yeah, how about a *website* that did that! One you could, like, enter words to search for. That would be, like, totally awesome!
Summary: you <=> fail.
Remember that Rummy quote about the WMD he "knew" the whereabouts of - (paraphrasing) "They're to the North, South, East and West, somewhat", and it turns out there weren't any. Frontal=on the right. Uh huh. Reminds me of that movie about the east side of New York City, you know, West Side Story. Fundies are SOOOO confused.
let's examine the following sentence:
let's examine two particular parts of that sentence
"Because there's a thing on the right side of your brain called the frontal lobe"
"Humans did not evolve from monkeys, apes or any other creature. You know why?
Because there's a thing......."
A bit 'frail' to say the least, you were wrong about humans being the only ones with a frontal lobe and the rest of your statement is like a sieve.
You think we are the only creatures that know what death is?
As someone pointed out before, if you have no knowledge of a gun or it's purpose you would be unaware as to it's danger, as would anyone.
I am flabbergasted that there are 'intelligent' people in the World who basically believe anything that their faith tells them with no need for proof or any questions being raised.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that you are all brainwashed.............
The frontal lobe as I recall is at the front of the brain. It's not freaking brain surgery! (Here's hoping that Fred M. Hunter isn't a surgeon)
And the part of the brain that keeps track of time? It's actually the Hippocampus. Located in the (wait for it :) Medial Temporal Lobe. Which is located between the frontal lobe and occipital lobe. And guess what? You've got two of them :) One on each side.
In short, you fail more than an electrified failing machine on national fail day in failure land.
lol @ mr smith! to discover whether or not mammals have frontal lobes or not, i think they may have either performed scans on animals, tests or even dissected them *said sarcastically*, fred you need to get your facts right about evolution before you start dribbling nonsense about things that even qualified and experienced scientists (i have a biology degree btw) cant even agree on, just take 5 minutes out of your bible studies and read a bit of darwinian theory for crying out loud, then maybe you might be able to see why we mock you so
"He held very strange theories about a good many things. He had even got up once at the British Association, and declared that apes had hippopotamus majors in their brains just as men have. Which was a shocking thing to say; for, if it were so, what would become of the faith, hope, and charity of immortal millions? You may think that there are other more important differences between you and an ape, such as being able to speak, and make machines, and know right from wrong, and say your prayers, and other little matters of that kind; but that is a child’s fancy, my dear. Nothing is to be depended on but the great hippopotamus test. If you have a hippopotamus major in your brain, you are no ape, though you had four hands, no feet, and were more apish than the apes of all aperies. But if a hippopotamus major is ever discovered in one single ape’s brain, nothing will save your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-greater-greatest-grandmother from having been an ape too."
Charles Kingsley The Water Babies" - 1863
Humans don't instinctively know what a gun can do. When Europeans first arrived in the Americas, Natives had never seen this metal stick that blew a puff of smoke and could kill at a great distance. Unfortunately, they learned quickly just what the "fire-stick" was and how dangerous it was.
Actually, I think (not sure though, so I might be wrong) that the arguement of monkeys not having frontal lobes came from a diagram which showed the brain from such an angle that it did not appear to have a frontal lobe. For instance, if you look at the human brain from the top, it does not appear to have a cerebellum. (again, I think this is what the book said. I'm not sure, so don't be surprised if it's completely wrong.)
Besides, guns are a human invention, so of course an animal wouldn't know guns were bad if it had never seen a gun before. It's like if you gave a penguin a banana. It would never have seen a banana before, so it wouldn't know that the banana was food, and wouldn't try to eat the banana.
frontal lobes exist in all mammals, you silly goose.
what fred here is thinking of is the prefrontal cortex which controls "executive brain function" such as empathy, impulse-control, and the ability to see things from another person's point of view. you know, stuff that makes us "human." other animals don't have this.
HOWEVER.
that evolved later, after what would later become human branched off from what would later become big apes. you lose.
"You could point a gun at any creature and it doesn't know it could kill them, Only humans do."
That's because humans have seen guns before. I bet if a monkey saw another monkey shot at close range, it would recognise the gun in later life.
Actually, animals react based on learned behavior. If, a herd of horses saw a person point a gun at, and kill, a member of their herd. The alpha mare would instinctively run away from that person and the entire herd would follow. From that day on, the alpha mare and any horse in that herd, seeing a human, or a human pointing a gun, or anything that resembles the shape of a gun, would flee. That goes for almost any animal or person, predator or prey, with the "fight or flight" instinct. Humans have evolved and adapted based on similar learned behavior or "trial and error". We were not always as smart as you, and we were not always predators. So, before you start preaching "Theory of Animal Behavior", you might want to learn a little about it. It's called science.
"You could point a gun at any creature and it doesn't know it could kill them, Only humans do."
Yeah... no. See, if I point any gun shaped object (be it a water gun or a real gun) at my little chihuahua, she KNOWS what it will do, and she will run away. A taco bell dog just proved you wrong; how sad.
im going to grad school for a neuropsych degree, im vastly overqualified to tell you how wrong that is. Every mammal has the same basic brain layout, ours is just the biggest.
NOW WHAT DID YOU SAY?
i didnt have a gun around to point at my cat. so i used a squirt bottle.
I hissed, jumped from its chair, and flew accrossed my living room.
it couldnt be the fact that i used that spray bottle to punish it when it was bad so now its terrified of the thing. not a chance. it was probably just a reaction the inanimate object had with the cloth the chair is made of. yup thats it!
for the last fucking time, you smug bastards:
NO ONE SAYS WE CAME FROM MONKEYS
WE HAVE A COMMON APE-LIKE ANCESTOR.
THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE
Nobody is saying that we evolved from monkeys or apes, stupid. We ARE Great Apes, and we share a common ancestor with monkeys.
I don't know about you, Fred, but I have frontal lobe on the left side of my brain too. It govern things like entusiasm, interest, curiosity, joy and happiness.
Wasn't there a female gorilla who learned sign language and showed that she had a sense of death, and even a sense of some kind of spirituality?
My cat also run away if I point at him with a squirt-bottle.
It makes sense we'd evolve a frontal lobe. We don't have claws, sharp teeth, speed, wings, etc., an ability to think like we do would help alot.
Humans who have never seen a gun don't instinctively know what it does. On first contact with Europeans, Native Americans just saw a stick that was pointed at one of them, a loud noise and a puff of smoke, and someone fell dead. What a strange thing this fire-stick was!
Confused?
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