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Isn't it strange that Americans are so consumed with images of millions of Jews dying in Nazi concentration camps that they are oblivious to 216 million Christians who died? Nobody, not even jews, disputes that less than half the population of concentration camps were jews. Who were the other half? Christians. Even if you accepted the Holocaust story in its entirety as historical fact, this is still 25 times as many Christians as Jews who died. Many of these Christians died in the course of defending their homes and homelands, rather than in concentration camps where Jews were herded after they successfully lobbied for and got gun control laws in pre-war Germany, just as they're now doing in the US.

The Christian Party, christianparty.net 61 Comments [1/22/2008 2:17:41 AM]
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Durane

Wow, it's like a fundie mad lib. Oppression of Christians, anti-Semitism, gun advocacy, and a little bit of Holocaust denial and Godwin's Law thrown in.

1/22/2008 2:23:17 AM

Moordryd

Okay, first of all, half of 6 million is not 216 million. Secondly, while some Christians probably were exterminated, the majority of Christians involved in the holocaust were the oppressors. Hilter, anyone?

1/22/2008 2:25:24 AM

Bassic

You are wrong, and stupid.

1/22/2008 2:28:25 AM

TheReligiousCommie

"the majority of Christians involved in the holocaust were the oppressors"

I wouldn't call the Nazis Christians, but at the same time, I wouldn't call the quote from the Christian Party anything short of a steaming pile of hypocritical, retarded, redneck, evil, disgusting, satanic vomit! Have I forgotten anything?

1/22/2008 2:29:48 AM

Moordryd

@ TheReligiousCommie

If they majority of Nazi's were not Christian, then what were they?


Oh, and you missed racist and sexist.

1/22/2008 2:35:35 AM

werewolf

What a steaming pile of bigoted and ignorant excrement!

1/22/2008 2:51:31 AM

John

So killing Jews is OK because Christians were killed, too? By that logic, should we stop whining about Muslim extremists killing 3,000 people on 9/11, since 17,000 Muslims died in the Izmit earthquake?

1/22/2008 2:55:58 AM

redwald

Actually, the fundie OP is right there. In Poland alone, 6 and a half million Christian Poles died during WW2 but there are no monuments to them. Jews do insist on rubbing in their own persecution, ad nauseum, like, forever......as if they were the only people whose lives counted for anything. And they still think that way - in obedience to the Talmud, that plainly states that a non-Jew's life is worth nothing. Their word for a non-Jew is goyim - that means cattle; it's as well not to forget that the next time they lobby for more loss of American lives to kill their enemies instead of ours.

1/22/2008 2:59:18 AM

jsonitsac

Congratulations Redwald, you just found your way to Racists Say the Darndest Things. I'm submitting it right now.

1/22/2008 3:19:37 AM

Martin

LIES FOR JEEZUS!!!

1/22/2008 3:21:43 AM

davros

extreme fail

From Wikipedia,

The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths of about 4 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost about 61 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.

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so The Christian Party is so fail that they claim 3 times as many Christian deaths as the total deaths in WW2
216 million is about the same population in 1939 as USA ,UK and France added together (220,480,000)

1/22/2008 3:26:00 AM

Maester Seymour's Mother

No. Just, no.

1/22/2008 3:30:09 AM

Choad

His understanding of math is about as accurate as his understanding of history.

1/22/2008 4:25:53 AM



Nope. 6 million Jews were killed and 3 million total non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust. That's 2/3, dumbass, which is greater than 1/2, not less. Don't you remember fractions from school?

The remaining third, BTW, weren't necessarily Christian, of course, making your proportions even more fucked up.

Your comments seem to construe "died in the war" as identical to "killed in a big fucking genocide," which isn't accurate, but even if it were, your statistics are still fucked up. They assume no Jews were killed as soldiers, which is frankly not true, but reveals your stupidity. Yes, more Christians than Jews were killed in the combined total of WWII and Holocaust deaths, but of course, there were more Christians to start off with, you dumbfuck. It doesn't mean that the Jews got off easy, it means that you haven't understood the concept of a PROPORTION.

1/22/2008 4:32:22 AM

Renacier

What's he implying at the end, there?

Is he trying to say that what happened then is going to happen now because of gun control?

1/22/2008 4:38:46 AM

approximate

Homeschooling at it's finest.

1/22/2008 4:57:38 AM

the Good Witch

Christians were not killed in the holocaust. about half the victims were jewish. the other half were gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, mentally disabled people, physically disabled people, gypsies, darker-skinned people ...

1/22/2008 5:23:47 AM

freako104

Crying persecution? Idiot, What about all the people who were burned at the stake or the people who were killed for a different belief system? You hate all who isn't Christian and see persecution where there is none

1/22/2008 5:27:10 AM

epsilon

Fundie math always amazes me with its pinpoint accuracy.

For example,

"less than half" quickly becomes one twenty-fifth

1/22/2008 7:57:21 AM

Brian X

Redwald, we don't like your kind around these parts. Shit-spreadin's a flaming offense here.

(Note that Polish Christians were not killed because they were Christian, but because they opposed the Nazis, whereas the Jews were killed specifically for being Jewish. And "goyim" means "nations", not "cattle". And virtually all religions denigrate anyone who isn't them to some extent or another, and there's nothing particularly unique about the Talmud saying anything of that sort, so FAIL.)

/wants to know why antisemites seem to think the Talmud is the real-life equivalent of the Protocols

1/22/2008 8:12:12 AM

RevDG

the "christian" party website is a bunch of bullshit anyway.
they don't understand anything they fight against.
the irony is they claim that all jews lie then go and use stuff from jews pointing out how bad jews are.

sorry you fail at history CP, half were jews, the others,the mentally handicapped, the physically handy capped, gays, communists, gypsies, and dissenters, and POWs

@redwald: hey idiot did those christians die in a concentration camp being worked to death, tortured, starved, beaten for being christian or being in a country at war?
not that i'm saying that war is a good thing, but they weren't being killed for being christian
i don't think you have a fucking clue what the talmud says either, just spouting bullshit antisemite garbage
go look up goyim, it means nation, now it means nations other than israel


1/22/2008 9:15:29 AM

RevDG

@Brian X:because it does contain some strange things they can twist to make jewish people look bad, and no one reads the talmud anyway

1/22/2008 9:17:21 AM

Frank

<b> Nope. 6 million Jews were killed and 3 million total non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust. That's 2/3, dumbass, which is greater than 1/2, not less. Don't you remember fractions from school? </b>

I've actually seen the 6 million Jews/ 12 million total number in several reputable sources. It largely depends on who you count as being a "holocaust" death (which is just the people the Nazis killed in their own lands) and who you count as a civilian casualty of war. So he can actually get away with that one. Although last I checked 6 million was "half" rather than <i>less than half</i> of 12 million.

I don't know where 216 million comes from. You are on solid ground throwing in the civilian deaths at the hands of Imperial Nippon. Acts like the Rape of Nanking and the Imperial "Plague Bombs" killed a very large (and uncounted) number of people. Still doesn't get anywhere especially close to 200 million though. And the people of Southern China were not normally known for the deep Christian Faith.

I suspect that he's clinging to 216 because it is 6 times 6 times 6 rather than because there is any actual reason to believe that there were that many dead people.

1/22/2008 9:19:45 AM

apYrs

just read how he got his figures: he uses the losses to extrapolate to an estimate of the number of Xians who weren't born because of the deaths in WW2. Quite a leap there...

1/22/2008 9:23:43 AM



Let's see how many contradictions you've committed in three seconds.
a)were Christians in the concentration camps or outside, defending their homes?
b)concentration camps existed or not?. If you deny the holocaust, concentration camps get denied by default.
c)were the Jewish less than half of the concentration camp victims or were they herded to them?.
Please, make up your mind. And second, gun control didn't exist in Europe, because the second ammendment never existed in the first place. In Europe nobody was lobying for restricting a use of weapons who were never widespread.

1/22/2008 9:48:30 AM
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