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Originally Posted by troglodyte
I'm curious, what about evolution is so incompatible with the Christian faith?

First of all, evolution requires lots and lots and lots of time. It needs a universe that has been around for billions of years. But, like Yasic pointed out, if you reverse-engineer the genealogies, you'll see that the universe has only been around for 6000 years --- not nearly enough time for evolution to do it's dirty work.

Second of all, evolution is dirty work. It sends out two "hit men" to do its evil:
survival of the fittest
natural selection
Both of these characters violate God's principles of love and harmony --- and thus cannot be of God.

Thirdly, Jesus, Himself always talked about Creation - He never once mentioned evolution - not even using "the language of the times". And as followers of Jesus Christ, I don't see how Christians should be embracing evolution, either.

Fourthly, after God created the universe in six days, He pronounced it "very good" - (perfect). And that would mean there's no room for improvement, thus evolution need not occur.

AV1611VET, Christian Forums 47 Comments [1/22/2008 8:07:32 PM]
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Ok, and what if the Bible is all symbolic and has nothing to do with science?. After all, snakes don't speak, people don't live 900 years, etc........After all, evolution is just a scientific theory, not a moral one. It describes the world as it is, not as it should be according to the human conception.

1/22/2008 8:13:11 PM

Mr_Vorhias

1. That would ring true IF the Earth was 6000 years old. Scientific Evidence has shown over and over and over that it's WAY older.

Where's YOUR proof that isn't in the bible?

2. Principles of Love and Harmony?

Love and Harmony That would...

- Kill off the rest of the people in the world save for the people on big boat?
- Demand someone sacrifice their one son to them?
- Kill off innocent Egyptians so the Hebrews could leave?

3. So? The Concept of Evolution didn't exist back then. I bet Jesus never much talked about Light Bulbs either. Does that mean they don't exist and that real light comes from god's divine brilliance? NO.

The bible might as well have been a collection of fables, since only about 5% of it (At MAXIMUM) bears and semblance on reality.

1/22/2008 8:19:00 PM

Doctor Whom

Let's see what else violates "God's principles of love and harmony -- and thus cannot be of God": life as we know it, the Bible, and the behavior of an awful lot of Christians.

1/22/2008 8:31:24 PM

Horsefeathers

"First of all, evolution requires lots and lots and lots of time."

That all depends on what's doing the evolving, doesn't it? Bacteria don't need all that long to evolve since most reproduce extremely quickly. A virus would also fall into that category.

"It needs a universe that has been around for billions of years."

Whew! Good thing there's ample evidence in favor of a universe that has been around for billions of years then. Us Evilutionists got lucky with that one we did.

"But, like Yasic pointed out, if you reverse-engineer the genealogies, you'll see that the universe has only been around for 6000 years --- not nearly enough time for evolution to do it's dirty work."

Nooooo... you'll see that your Wholly Babble only accounts for four to six thousand years, depending on how you fudge the genealogies.

"Second of all, evolution is dirty work. It sends out two "hit men" to do its evil:
survival of the fittest
natural selection
Both of these characters violate God's principles of love and harmony --- and thus cannot be of God."


Why do you fundies insist on glossing over, or skipping entirely, the Old Testament? Yes, yes, I know it's unpleasant and makes your deity look like a blood thirsty tribal war god and then the New Testament turns around and makes him look schizophrenic by suddenly being all lovey dovey but that's just too bad, isn't it?

If anything, evolution would fit in quite nicely with the character of your god as described in the OT.

"Thirdly, Jesus, Himself always talked about Creation - He never once mentioned evolution - not even using "the language of the times"."

He probably had the good sense not to, lest he be stoned to death before he had a chance to piss off the Romans and get his ass nailed to a tree. That'd be a damned shame.

"And as followers of Jesus Christ, I don't see how Christians should be embracing evolution, either."

The fact that it aligns with observed reality should be enough. Apparently it's not though.

"Fourthly, after God created the universe in six days, He pronounced it "very good" - (perfect)."

And a few short verses later proceeded to drown every living thing on the planet save for an old drunk, his family and two (or is it seven?) of all the 'clean' 'kinds'.

"And that would mean there's no room for improvement, thus evolution need not occur."

You don't see your deity basically saying 'Screw this, I'll start over' as having room for improvement? You are a dense one.

1/22/2008 8:48:57 PM

John

if you reverse-engineer the genealogies, you'll see that the universe has only been around for 6000 years

If you triangulate between supernova SN1987a and its adjacent dust cloud, you'll see that SN1987a has been around for 169,000 years. Or maybe the speed of light changed by a factor of thousands, or maybe space is warped like in Star Trek.

Or maybe the Bible's various incompatible genealogies were just invented out of thin air.

1/22/2008 8:54:07 PM

anevilmeme

Not a single correct fact here.

1/22/2008 8:57:09 PM

TheReligiousCommie

Please Jesus, appear to these idiots in a dream and tell them why they're retarded!

1/22/2008 9:04:19 PM

xplicit_UK

"...there's no room for improvement, thus evolution need not occur."

My appendix, tail bone, plica semilunaris, wisdom teeth, and goose bumps beg to differ...

1/22/2008 9:15:54 PM

Euclid

Ah, good ol' AVophile. See, what you've just explained is why evolution is incompatible with *your version* of Christianity. Unfortunately, your version of Christianity is also incompatible with reality and itself. Dontcha hate it when that happens?

1/22/2008 9:17:06 PM

tracer

"Second of all, evolution is dirty work. It sends out two "hit men" to do its evil:
survival of the fittest
natural selection"


Survival of the Fittest, AND Natural Selection?

That reminds me of the following scene from The Blues Brothers :

ELWOOD: "What kind of music do you usually have here?"
WAITRESS: "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western."

1/22/2008 9:20:30 PM

Old Viking

Totally brainless. The post and the poster.

1/22/2008 9:20:36 PM

Illuminatalie

"if you reverse-engineer the genealogies, you'll see that the universe has only been around for 6000 years --- not nearly enough time for evolution to do it's dirty work. "
Good thing that people (who are not mentally ill) do not place much importance on a LITERAL READING of the bible.

"violate God's principles of love and harmony --- and thus cannot be of God."
So you're saying fundies are not of God? OK, we're in agreement here.

"Thirdly, Jesus, Himself always talked about Creation - He never once mentioned evolution - not even using "the language of the times". And as followers of Jesus Christ, I don't see how Christians should be embracing evolution, either."
He never talked about TV, cars, medicine, so I hope you are living in an Amish paradise, and if you get infected, just amputate the limb and hope for the best. And... he never talked about the internet either!

"Fourthly, after God created the universe in six days, He pronounced it "very good" - (perfect). And that would mean there's no room for improvement, thus evolution need not occur."
Very good <> perfect. How come he didn't create it with bacteria that could resist early 20th century antibiotics?

1/22/2008 9:21:23 PM

484


1/22/2008 9:39:11 PM

Papabear

Survival of the fittest IS natural selection, you dinkwad.

1/22/2008 9:39:46 PM

Philbert McAdamia

"very good" - (perfect)

Hm, when my report card reflected C+ or B I felt that was "very good" (beat the usual alternatives). Seldom was it rated Perfect, which would have meant straight As.

1/22/2008 9:47:59 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Papabear wrote, "Survival of the fittest IS natural selection, you dinkwad."

Shhh! Fundies think "survival of the fittest" means that the most physically fit animals (you know, the ones that work out regularly and have six-pack abs) beat up on smaller, weaker, flabbier animals.

1/22/2008 9:52:38 PM

aqualung

Well, I'm convinced...that you're an idiot!

1/22/2008 10:04:12 PM

Deriamis

Evolution is "dirty work"? It has "hit men"?

AV1611VET obviously has a bullet lodged in his brain.

1/22/2008 11:08:06 PM

Ambrielle


1/22/2008 11:53:49 PM

John

evolution is dirty work. It sends out two "hit men" to do its evil

This is like saying the theory of gravity makes you fall on your ass. No. The theory of gravity is just an explanation of why you fall on your ass. People fell on their asses long before Newton, and the less adapted were dying off long before Darwin.

1/23/2008 12:19:27 AM

Grim

What I wanna know is: where does sexual selection come into that whole metaphor? Is it, like, a prostitute or something?

Yes, this is what I wonder about in my spare time.

1/23/2008 12:30:17 AM

demodocos

"Thirdly, Jesus, Himself always talked about Creation - He never once mentioned evolution - not even using "the language of the times". And as followers of Jesus Christ, I don't see how Christians should be embracing evolution, either. "

Jesus also regularly used parables to point something out, apparently he liked fiction.

1/23/2008 1:12:40 AM

Fanatic-Templar

God violates his own 'principle of love and harmony'.

1/23/2008 1:22:24 AM

Lithp

...Reverse-engineer the genealogies?

Oh don't EVEN start with that! Nature is a system where life eats other life in order to live. "Love" and "harmony" have NOTHING to do with it!

Oh, yay, Jay-sus. An obviously religious person from 2000 years ago is such a scientific source, if he existed.

Fundie redefinition at its finest. Very good=perfect. Tell me, what little fantasy world do YOU live in?

1/23/2008 1:32:58 AM

Mattural Selection

So? My breakfast this morning was "very good", but it could have been better with some more bacon. "Very good" does not mean "perfect".

1/23/2008 1:43:17 AM
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