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Computers are a form of TECHNOLOGY.
If there is any science involved please tell me
Reiging in Science
[1/22/2008 10:34:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Damen
in b4 poe
This is raw Christian stupidity what you see.
1/22/2008 10:37:17 PM
this cant be real....the funny it hurts my sides oh god!
1/22/2008 10:41:51 PM
technology is applied science, foo.
1/22/2008 10:43:17 PM
I have to stop coming here. It can't be good for my brain or my mental health, or my faith in humanity.
1/22/2008 10:45:17 PM
the Good Witch
technology is applied science. scientists take what they know and apply it to create something useful. your argument is dead and rotting.
1/22/2008 10:45:44 PM
Oh, and one of the scientists responsible for this technology was a) gay, and b) an atheist. So sit on it.
1/22/2008 10:47:36 PM
or more directly:
1/22/2008 10:51:09 PM
Technology is a product of successful science.
1/22/2008 10:58:44 PM
There is science involved.
Well, you wanted to be told - now exercise what pitiful excuse for a brain you allege to have and find out why that's so.
1/22/2008 10:58:51 PM
It goes like this.
Computer -> technology -> application -> science.
In short a computer runs of the technology we invented based off what scientists discovered about electricity and electrons. An inventor doesn't have to be a scientists and can be a creationist in fact, but their inventions always come from a successful application of scientific discoveries. Hell even evolution has led to applications in gene therapy and molecular genetic research. Creationism offers no real application and that is another reason why it cannot be considered science.
1/22/2008 11:08:55 PM
creating or using technology, from the lever onward, without using at least some basic scientific principle. Off the top of my head, computers (being among the most sophisticated of modern techologies) build on such necessary scientific knowledge as the following:
* Electricity, magnetism, and recognition of them being facets of the same force, and of how to generate them and insulate against them.
* Chemistry, including how to make synthetic materials [e.g., plastic from petroleum, and of how to GET petroleum (i.e., the entire discipline of petrogeology and petroleum engineering and their respective underlying basic scientific knowledges)].
* Metallurgy and related chemistry.
* Glassmaking and similar work in silicates, taken to extremes.
* Microscopy and lenscrafting.
* Electronic microscopy, which requires considerable physics underpinning.
* Understanding of how light works, leading to (among other things) maser and laser emission and control (which requires another slew of physics knowledge to build up to).
That's a very superficial list, and it already is dependent on pure science a hundred times over. Consider yourself "told."
1/22/2008 11:10:22 PM
1/22/2008 11:12:37 PM
@ Amanda: If you still have faith in humanity, you obviously haven't been coming here enough.
Still, it was only a matter of time until they cottoned on to the increasingly common "If you hate science, get off our internet" retort. So, as ever, they've simply redefined reality to support their arguments.
1/22/2008 11:19:21 PM
What process do you think brought ABOUT this technology? Do you think God just cried from the heavens "Let there be Intel!" and lo...
I mean seriously.
1/22/2008 11:21:12 PM
Transistors, printed circuits, capactitors, resistors.
All of them were developed by physicists based on studies of physics. Try again.
You know, I actually sort of thought this guy was joking, until I remembered that I knew a man who spouted nonsense just like this on a regular basis. And he was serious. Poe's Law in action, I guess.
1/22/2008 11:21:55 PM
Science: getting reliable knowledge about how the world works.
Technology: applying that knowledge to get something done better, faster or in an easier manner.
So yes, there is science involved in computers. Quite a bit, actually. There's also quite a bit of computing involved in science.
In other words, this is one of the most staggeringly ignorant assertions I've seen on this site yet.
I propose a Reverse Nobel (Lebon) Award.
1/22/2008 11:27:44 PM
1/22/2008 11:39:47 PM
BlackMageJ: It must be because I usually skip the longer ones. :/
1/22/2008 11:41:03 PM
The 'Lebon Awards'.
I like it.
1/22/2008 11:43:04 PM
So, those degrees in "computer science technology" were useless even before the dot com bust?
1/22/2008 11:57:47 PM
Chemistry, Physics, Mechanical AND Electrical Engineering, and of course, the ever-popular, Materials Tech.
TECHNOLOGY IS SCIENCE, DUMFUK
1/23/2008 12:07:45 AM
The transistor, without which computers would still use tubes and be the size of a warehouse and consume more electricity than a central A/C unit, was invented using the basic physics of electrons and crystals.
1/23/2008 12:08:29 AM
There is science involved.
1/23/2008 12:13:25 AM
The Theory of Electromagnetism
Heh, I'm gonna BE a computer engineer.
1/23/2008 12:15:11 AM
Why is it that when the high school science teacher says "Technology and science aren't the same," the Fundies stop listening and decide:
1/23/2008 12:16:10 AM