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What evidence is there in history to prove that the KJV is the final revelation to man. It was the book that God used during the reformation.......... Now this is not my opinion, it is a historical fact.

(For those not up to speed with the history of the reformation in Europe: the reformation is generally considered to have kicked off in 1517; the KJV was first produced in 1611.)

Donsky, KJV The original Scripture 35 Comments [1/24/2008 3:56:26 AM]
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Mattural Selection

Yep. Historical fact that an unprovable deity used a book that came out years after the fact. Interesting.

1/24/2008 4:02:25 AM


History says you fail.

1/24/2008 4:08:36 AM


1/24/2008 4:14:21 AM


Even if the history was accurate, how would it prove anything?

1/24/2008 4:25:52 AM


Uhh No. It was the book King James commissioned to be cobbled together after the vatican denied him the right to divorce. King James had it edited for content. THAT is historical fact.

1/24/2008 4:44:49 AM


It was the book that God used during the reformation
a) your proof that God used this book?
b) so?

1/24/2008 4:58:41 AM

You're thinking of Henry VIII--James never divorced. Had a lot of affairs with people of both genders though.

1/24/2008 5:08:07 AM


"Now this is not my opinion, it is a historical fact."

Everytime I see these so-called "facts", I keep wondering if they flunked world history, history of religion, or logics. Oh wait, they're homeschooled. Useless fuckers.

1/24/2008 5:23:48 AM


So, your god needed a book to tell the peasants what their monarchy wanted. (basically, for the Pope to piss off) In order to accomplish this, a book was produced under the supervision of some English king a century later.

Uh huh...

1/24/2008 6:34:43 AM


King James took a look at it and thought,

"Yo, we could really use this to make them stupid peasant's work harder for us rich folks ! We'll just tell them that life sucks but everything afterwards is just gravy !"

Noone gets this ?

1/24/2008 6:48:20 AM


This thing fails.

1/24/2008 9:20:15 AM

David B.

Let's see, Martin Luther wrote the 95 Theses in 1517, publicly burned a Papal Bull ordering him to recant in 1520, and translated the bible into German in 1534. This eventually lead in 1560 to the Scottish parliament formally rejecting the authority of the pope and prohibited the practise of catholic mass. Six years afterwards, in 1566, the future King James 6th of Scotland (later James 1st of England) was born.

The KJV was begun in 1604, inspired by the Lutherian bible, and first published in 1611, by which time the protestant movement had already spread throughout Germany much of northern Europe

Now, Donsky, let's look at an earlier comment of yours.

"Should we accept history? If it is harmony and does not contradict the Bible and the evidence is reliable of course we do."

The above facts are not only highly evidenced, but do not contradict any part of the bible, only your own misconceptions are challenged.

Five centuries of fail!

1/24/2008 10:12:46 AM

And why did it take so long for God to kick off?. Moreover, why did he have to do it through the translation comisioned by a gay king?

1/24/2008 10:29:12 AM

Is it a historical fact that the reformation started in 1611?. Excuse me if I don't laugh louder, I have got faringitis.

1/24/2008 10:31:13 AM


Why would God read the bible? I can picture it now.. "hey, this bit's got a bit about me in it!".

1/24/2008 12:30:47 PM



<wipes a tear form his eye as he tries to catch his breath...fails and passes out from laughing so hard at this retard>

1/24/2008 12:33:26 PM


OK, so first history shows that KJV was important in the reformation, and then history shows that it didn't exist till after?

Is it really POSSIBLE to be this stupid, and not just a liar?

1/24/2008 1:19:08 PM


Um, I hate to break it to you, but Luther was German and lived a hundred years before the KJV. By your logic, this version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible wold be better.

1/24/2008 1:54:12 PM

Doctor Whom

The KJV, when read correctly, contains instructions on how to build a time machine to go back in time roughly a century. If you've never come across that passage in Bible study, then I guess you're not really saved.

1/24/2008 2:07:13 PM


"If you've never come across that passage in Bible study, then I guess you're not really saved."

Hmm.. If you come across any passage in the bible, I would expect that would be defiling scripture.

1/24/2008 2:25:16 PM

Mister Spak

God could not have used the KJV for anything because the real religion is islam. He would have used the koran.

1/24/2008 2:42:47 PM


So when Paul and the apostles used the Septuagint, they weren't working with God's full revelation but the translators of the KJB were?

1/24/2008 3:38:45 PM


I read that thread. Those people actually think Jesus spoke English - a language that didn't exist at the time - and one post, near the end of the thread, seems to claim that the KJV already existed when the NT was being written. (Time machines for Jesus??)

That's on top of the complete ignorance of history, language, chronology, etc.

1/24/2008 4:11:40 PM


I think this fails as being fundie for the reason that he's saying that KJV isn't God's final perfect truth, which is what most fundies seem to claim.

1/24/2008 5:01:08 PM


So it isn't yer traditional fundie...

1/24/2008 5:03:23 PM

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