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You've got a point there. If everyone were atheists I'd be willing to bet sex with any consulting child would be legal. Incest would be legal. All drugs would be legalized. Polygamy would be legal. Homosexual marriages would be allowed. Public sex and nudity would be allowed. Porno would be allowed on all public TV channel that any child could watch. School would be optional at all ages. Handicapped and the mentally ill children would be allowed to be killed by their parents because they would be considered a burden to society. All abortions would be legal at all stages. We'd live in a totally different society. And after the society collapsed, the military would take over and of course it would be run by a ruthless dictator who would run a police state. Yes I'd be willing to bet all these actions would take place eventually.

DOC, JREF Forums 82 Comments [1/24/2008 10:47:48 PM]
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Necronomikron

Some of those, I strongly disagree with. And I'm an atheist.

However, homosexual marriage? Yeah, I'd like that to be legal.

As well as drugs (long story, not because I do them, but because the 'war on drugs' is a damn travesty)

Police state? Nah. Probably a liberal democracy... like this.

Bah, what am I kidding, anyone this delusional can't even see past his own nose, so why do I even bother?

1/24/2008 10:50:11 PM

Malfist

Better hold on, it's getting slippery!

1/24/2008 10:54:09 PM

James

You fail to grasp the notion that a child cannot consent to sex don't you?

1/24/2008 10:58:36 PM

arcivanov

Acute Christianity of the Cerebral Cortex (ACCC)

1/24/2008 10:58:43 PM

anevilmeme

"Yes I'd be willing to bet all these actions would take place eventually."

A fool and his money are easily parted.

1/24/2008 10:58:54 PM

AnonymousAsshole

I am willing to take that bet with odds. I have $10,000.00 I am willing to bet, and I will give you any odds you desire. Fucktard.

1/24/2008 10:59:28 PM

Alfred

"Incest would be legal"

Obviously you've never read Genesis 19.

"Porno would be allowed on all public TV channel that any child could watch"

If your god really exists, he seems to greatly enjoy pornographic materials.
I've never read a book containing as many depictions of sex as the Bible. These include: rape (including gang-rapes), incest, sadomasochism, pedophilia...

"it would be run by a ruthless dictator who would run a police state"

You obviously don't read history books either...




1/24/2008 11:00:28 PM

Bob Dole

Simple rebuttal. You are a retard.

1/24/2008 11:04:39 PM

anti-nonsense

Want some teflon with that slippery slope?

1/24/2008 11:07:32 PM

solomongrundy

Some Scandinavian countries are next to completely atheist.
None of this stuff happens in them.

1/24/2008 11:10:37 PM

Mudflappus

Hey shithead. You forgot bestiality. You fundy asswipes can't justify how much better you are making the world just by your very fucking presence without mentioning beastiality somewhere in the rhetoric.

1/24/2008 11:11:55 PM

POSW

"You've got a point there. If everyone were atheists I'd be willing to bet sex with any consulting child would be legal."

Consulting? You mean consenting? Oh, and no, it wouldn't.

"Incest would be legal."
You'd think atheists and agnostics, with our knowledge of genetics and evolution, would not legalize something that leads to a weakening of the gene pool such as incest.

"All drugs would be legalized."
No, just the ones you're on.

"Polygamy would be legal."
Ah, here it is. Genesis 28:8-9 "Esau then realized how displeasing the Canaanite women were to his father Isaac; 9 so he went to Ishmael and married Mahalath, the sister of Nebaioth and daughter of Ishmael son of Abraham, in addition to the wives he already had." Notice that Esau marries his half-cousin. Incest and polygamy, all in two Biblical lines.

"Homosexual marriages would be allowed."
Yes, they would. What has gay marriage ever done to you?

"Public sex and nudity would be allowed.Porno would be allowed on all public TV channel that any child could watch."
What does not believing in Godd (pronunciation taken from The Blues Brothers) have to do with that? If there's no Godd, you can do anything you want, is that what you're implying? You're wrong.

"School would be optional at all ages."
Look at what it did for you, fuckwit. No, school would be central to an atheist society.

"Handicapped and the mentally ill children would be allowed to be killed by their parents because they would be considered a burden to society. All abortions would be legal at all stages."
I'm a strong believer that once a baby's brain starts functioning, it's alive and should not be aborted. That said, abortion is the woman's choice, and none of the government's business.

As for handicapped people, if you're talking about Terri Schiavo, yeah, it should be legal to put a person in a permanent vegetative state out of their misery. A kid with autism is different.

"We'd live in a totally different society. And after the society collapsed, the military would take over and of course it would be run by a ruthless dictator who would run a police state."
IT'TH A CONTHPIRATHY!

"Yes I'd be willing to bet all these actions would take place eventually."
I think I speak for all of FSTDT when I say I would take that bet, and your money.

1/24/2008 11:21:17 PM

werewolf

How much of a bet? What's the time frame?

1/24/2008 11:25:40 PM

Doctor Whom

If everyone were atheists I'd be willing to bet sex with any consulting child would be legal. It's heinously wrong for children to open consulting firms. Seriously, though, sex would still be illegal with anyone, including children, who was incapable of consenting.

Incest would be legal. Who were Cain's in-laws again?

All drugs would be legalized. No, please, anything but that! Drug prohibition has been such a glorious success.

Polygamy would be legal. Then it's official: You people really don't read your own holy book beyond the parts about homosexuality.

Homosexual marriages would be allowed. Then the homophobes would have just what they have long claimed to want: equal rights, not special rights.

Public sex and nudity would be allowed. Ever hear of nude beaches? They seem to have no deleterious effect on society. Imposing yourself on non-consenting people would still be illegal.

Porno would be allowed on all public TV channel that any child could watch. You wouldn't believe the stuff that I could access as a child, and I'd like to think that I turned out okay.

School would be optional at all ages. I thought that it was fundies who wanted that. Ever hear of the homeschooling movement?

Handicapped and the mentally ill children would be allowed to be killed by their parents because they would be considered a burden to society. That would be wrong. Instead, we should kill gay people because they are a burden on society, right?

All abortions would be legal at all stages. Nnnnnoooooooo!

1/24/2008 11:28:13 PM

Anon

"RANT RANT RANT... Incest would be legal... RANT RANT RANT"

Um.. I might be showing my ignorance of American Law, but isn't incest legal, as long as both parties are old enough and they consent?

And he, some drugs already are legal. What else do you think Alcohol and Cigarettes are?

1/24/2008 11:41:08 PM

Septic Sceptic

Well there is the famous case of Soviet Russia, the popular example of atheist leadership that fundies love to bang on about. Let's see how it measures up:

Ruthless police state: Erm, alright, i'll grant you this one, though you'd have to do a fair bit of stretching to blame it on atheism.

Pedophilia/drugs/polygamy/gay marriage/public sex and nudity/porn for kids legalised: No, No, No, No, In Russia? and... No.

Eugentics, optional education and abortion: No. In fact the opposite happened. Universal healthcare was implimented and pregnant women were offered access to prenatal care.

I'm not a Stalinist of course. Just pointing out that none of these things popped up the second a secular state was implimented.

1/24/2008 11:44:25 PM

Old Viking

It would be safe to say, then, that under atheism there would be a state of general naughtiness?

1/24/2008 11:51:51 PM

caitshidhe

"If everyone were atheists I'd be willing to bet sex with any consulting child would be legal."

consulting--what? you mean "consenting"? no, there is no sane human who would support or legalize pedophilia. that's VILE. it's just you fundies who have a fixation with children and sex, often at the same time.


"Polygamy would be legal."

uh, no. the last group to make polygamy illegal was the mormons, who are--guess what!--christians. the bible is FULL of references to polygamy; i don't know of anybody who likes the idea of polygamy who didn't use the wholly babble to defend their ideas. "multiple partners" does not translate to "multiple spouses."


"Homosexual marriages would be allowed."

i agree with the above sentiments: there's nothing wrong with this. let people marry the people they love, and get your fundie nose out of their business!


"Public sex and nudity would be allowed. Porno would be allowed on all public TV channel that any child could watch."

most atheists prefer to continue their guilt-free, adventurous sex lives in private, thank you. public nudity has nothing to do with religion and really just has to do with how comfortable you are flaunting/seeing nekkid butts in public. there are nude beaches and nudist resorts for people who like that sort of thing. as for porn, NOBODY would EVER want to have porn on public television. pornography is something that NORMAL people don't bother too much about--it's just you fundies that have this total obsession with OTHER PEOPLE'S sex lives. why is that?


"School would be optional at all ages."

any society based on atheism would value education immensely. in fact, school would be MANDATORY for everybody, and home-schooling would require a strict curriculum and weekly checks by professional, atheist teachers to make sure you're not brainwashing your children.


"Handicapped and the mentally ill children would be allowed to be killed by their parents because they would be considered a burden to society."

no. just... NO. you're a sick fuck if you think we'd do something like this.


"All abortions would be legal at all stages."

nothing wrong with this. even better, though, would be making sure abortions weren't NEEDED--by making sex ed mandatory and comprehensive, teaching teenagers how to use contraceptives, rewarding people with tax breaks for having safe sex, and so on.

1/24/2008 11:53:56 PM



... First thing on this guy's mind is fucking kids and family?

Oh, by the way, you already have a police state, and it was a "born again christian" or ten that gave it to you.

1/25/2008 12:17:21 AM

Higgs Boson

1. Well, what a cute spelling of consenting. But no. Never. Twat...

2. I don't think incest should be illegal. The question is: "how many people seriously want to fuck a family member?" Practically none, but if any two family members consent to do so, as much as I would want to puke, they have my blessing.

3. Being fucked up on drugs does not make you a criminal, whatever drug it is. Don't treat people who are wasted as though they are criminals. Drugs suck though.

4. Hey, I'd have two wives. Anyone disagree? One sounds more romantic though. I'll take that.

5. I think it is hypocritical to get a straight marriage if gays can't get married. I'll take the civil union - I don't deserve more than gay people.

6. The more nudity the better.

7. The more porn the better.

8. Education is the most important thing any child could ever have. But if you want to jaundice your child by taking them out of science class, be my moronic guest.

9. Sick fuck. Fuck you!

10. Abortion sucks too. We all agree, but can't you understand that an abortion is not as bad as a malnourished child. Abortion is not as bad as an unnecessary orphan. Abortion is not as bad as overpopulation. Life is beautiful and is inherently full of worth, but an organism that is incapable of feeling pain or pleasure, and is incapable of feeling a sense of loss and regret, is not as vital as a life that does.

11. Blah blah blah, you make atheism sound so glamorous. It's not. I can unite with any theist who understands the importance of evaluating the relative pain and pleasure that arises from any action, whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Zoroastrian (the most ethically sound religion in my opinion), Jain, Buddhist, Bahai, Bab or Animist - just as long as we learn to read from the same fucking page. There is no way we can ever develop a coherent society if we refuse to understand the same basic notions of science and reality. Rant rant rant...

1/25/2008 12:36:26 AM

tracer

Those darned atheists! Why, next thing you know, they're gonna make it legal not to attend church on Sundays!

1/25/2008 12:47:27 AM

Ambrielle

You would lose your bet. There's good biological reasons why incest is taboo.

1/25/2008 12:55:33 AM

maxedout

the military would take over and of course it would be run by a ruthless dictator who would run a police state.

And I'd be willing to bet this "ruthless dictator" would claim to be doing god's work.

1/25/2008 12:57:58 AM

John

No, there'd just be one simple rule, which Jesus Himself said: "love thy neighbour as thyself." (Lev. 19:18, Mat. 22:39, Mk. 12:31, Luke 10:27, Rom. 13:9, Gal. 5:14, Jam. 2:8). On that basis, sex with any "consenting" child would not be legal, because children can't give proper consent. Handicapped and the mentally ill children would not be allowed to be killed by their parents.

1/25/2008 12:58:51 AM

Amanda

What does atheism have to do with any of those things!?

1/25/2008 1:27:39 AM
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