Øyvind

Is this what we get when a fundie admits speciation is possible?

Fundie: OMG, your with teh debbil, animals don't evolve!
Us: Er, yes, they do, what about bacteria developing a resistance to antibiotics?
Fundie: WTF OK so they do that but a bacteria is still a bacteria!!1 u never c a monkey give birth to a dog lol
Us: Er, have a look at these transitional fossils.
Fundie: WTF ROFL!!1 This proves evilution how?! There still animals! Show me an animal give birth to a tree and ill believe you're silly religion of evilution!11

I honestly have a bad feeling about this.

1/29/2008 5:00:06 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

You can believe you are made in the image of a monkey ... or you can believe you came from dirt. Which makes more sense?

1/29/2008 5:01:08 PM

Papabear

People are animals, dipshit.

It took more tha "a million years" for monkeys to evolve from the amoeba and millions and millions more for humans to evolve from a monkey-like ancestor.

We are not "made" in the image of a monkey, we are simply a large, self-aware (most of us) species of ape.

Prefering to view a fairy tale as true does not make it true, it just displays your idiocy.

1/29/2008 5:02:20 PM

xander07

That's sweet, but scientific evidence still indicates that you are WRONG.

1/29/2008 5:09:47 PM

approximate

"Creation as described genesis is a reality"

Proof or STFU.

"But I prefer to see you and all people as something special and unique - Godlike."

OK...thou shalt shutteth the fuck up.

1/29/2008 5:16:37 PM

Doctor Whom

Don't tell me; let me guess. Both Genesis creation stories are Divinely inspired and literally true. You do realize that there are two, don't you?

1/29/2008 5:21:26 PM

somegie

people kingdom? I don't ever recall hearing about the people kingdom in biology? does this stem from your kingdom of heaven maybe?

bonus points for /allowing/ us our own views I guess. It's certainly a step in the right direction, away from the fundie, "everyone must believe what I believe" crap.

1/29/2008 5:21:56 PM

Osiris

Both stories in Genesis. Even the ones that contradict each other?

1/29/2008 5:28:21 PM

Illuminatalie

"but you cannot evolve outside your class"

But what about your caste? Can you evolve outside of your caste?

"But I prefer to see you and all people as something special and unique - Godlike."
And you're that rude and patronizing to a God?

1/29/2008 5:31:59 PM

Nemecic

To paraphrase Sam Harris, you can't believe something just because it makes you feel special. You don't get to pick your own facts.

1/29/2008 5:33:20 PM

Mudflappus

So God has an appendix and vestigial tail too? Why? What use would a devine creator have for our physical attributes dumbass?

1/29/2008 5:45:10 PM

David G

michael, what you prefer doesn't in fact have any impact on what actually occurred.

1/29/2008 5:50:49 PM

McCulloch

Example: plant kingdom, animal kingdom, people kingdom
You're out of touch.
Domains:
1. Bacteria
2. Archaea
3. Eukarya
Kingdoms within Eukarya:
Kingdoms
3.1 Fungi
3.2 Amoebozoa
3.3 Plantae - Plants
3.4 Chromalveolata
3.5 Rhizaria
3.6 Excavata
3.7 Animalia - Animals
within Animalia
3.7.1 Subkingdom Parazoa
3.7.2 Subkingdom Eumetazoa
within Eumetazoa
3.7.2.1 Placozoa
3.7.2.2 Radiata
3.7.2.3 Bilateria
Within Bilateria
3.7.2.3.1 Orthonectida
3.7.2.3.2 Rhombozoa
3.7.2.3.3 Acoelomorpha
3.7.2.3.4 Chaetognatha
3.7.2.3.5 Superphylum Ecdysozoa
3.7.2.3.6 Superphylum Platyzoa
3.7.2.3.7 Superphylum Lophotrochozoa
3.7.2.3.8 Superphylum Deuterostomia
Within Deuterostomia
3.7.2.3.8.1 Hemichordata
3.7.2.3.8.2 Echinodermata
3.7.2.3.8.3 Xenoturbellida
3.7.2.3.8.4 Vetulicolia
3.7.2.3.8.5 Chordata
Within Chordata
3.7.2.3.8.5.1 Subphylum Tunicata
3.7.2.3.8.5.2 Subphylum Cephalochordata
3.7.2.3.8.5.3 Subphylum Vertebrata
Within Vertebrata
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.1 Infraphylum Agnatha
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2 Infraphylum Gnathostomata
Within Gnathostomata
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.1 Class Placodermi
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.2 Class Chondrichthyes
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.3 Class Acanthodii
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.4 Superclass Osteichthyes
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5 Superclass Tetrapoda
Within Superclass Tetrapoda
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.1 Class Amphibia
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2 Series Amniota
Within Series Amniota
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.1 Class Sauropsida
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.2 Class Aves
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.3 Class Synapsida
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4 Class Mammalia
Within Mammalia
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.1 Subclass Prototheria
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2 Subclass Theriiformes
Within Teriiformes
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.1 Infraclass Allotheria
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.2 Infraclass Triconodonta
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3 Infraclass Holotheria
Within Holotheria
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.1 Cohort Marsupialia
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2 Cohort Placentalia
Within Placentalia
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.1 Magnorder Xenarthra
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2 Magnorder Epitheria
Within Epitheria
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.1 Grandorder Anagalida
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.2 Grandorder Ferae
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.3 Grandorder Lipotyphla
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.4 Grandorder Ungulata
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5 Grandorder Archonta
within Archonta
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.1 Plesiadapiformes
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.2 Scandentia
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.3 Dermoptera
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.4 Chiroptera
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5 Primates
within Primates
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.1 Suborder Strepsirrhini
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2 Suborder Haplorrhini
within Haplorrhini
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.1 Infraorder Tarsiiformes
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2 Infraorder Simiiformes
within Simiiformes
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.1 Parvorder Platyrrhini
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2 Parvorder Catarrhini
Within Catarrhini
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.1 Superfamily Cercopithecoidea
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2 Superfamily Hominoidea
within Hominoidea
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.1 Family Hylobatidae
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2 Family Hominidae
within Hominidae
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.1 Subfamily Ponginae
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.2 Subfamily Homininae
within Homininae
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.2.1 Tribe Gorillini
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.2.2 Tribe Hominini
within Hominini
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1 Genus Pan
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2 Genus Homo
within Homo
3.7.2.3.8.5.3.2.5.2.4.2.3.2.2.5.5.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1 Species Sapiens

Kingdoms are at the second level of classification. The human species is at the 26th level of classification. You are only 25 orders of magnitude wrong. Not bad for a fundie.

1/29/2008 6:20:50 PM

Johannes9126

So you want to be godlike - fundy psychoanalysis in a nutshell.

1/29/2008 6:33:06 PM

Mister Spak

"if you want to believe that an amoeba became a monkey after a million years and then fell off a tree, tail was cut off, and we got jobs and became humans"

If you believe that you're an idiot. The rest of us believe evolution.

1/29/2008 7:01:59 PM

Horsefeathers

"Creation as described genesis is a reality..."

Not even close, pal.

"and of course there is an evolution of things (the reason why you look like a combo of your mom and dad) but you cannot evolve outside your class."

Well, you're sort of correct in a round about, fuzzy sort of way.

"Example: plant kingdom, animal kingdom, people kingdom....."

If you'll look closely you'll probably note those are "Kingdoms", not "Classes".

"You are created in the image and likeness of an amazing Creation...."

If you say so.

"but if you want to believe that an amoeba became a monkey after a million years and then fell off a tree, tail was cut off, and we got jobs and became humans.... that is fine ...."

You really like those ellipses, don't you? Also, that's a mighty fine straw man you've got there.

"But I prefer to see you and all people as something special and unique - Godlike."

And one hell of an ego to go along with your straw man it seems. I'm sure you're aware that calling yourself "Godlike" is heretical and, in an earlier time, you'd have been burned at the stake, right?

1/29/2008 7:07:32 PM

Psittacosis

People kingdom? Oh, FFS.

1/29/2008 7:41:00 PM

Psittacosis

@ McCulloch; Old hat, man. Cladistics is where it's at!

1/29/2008 7:43:03 PM

Paler_Face

As godlike as the FSM!

*flexes noodly appendiges*

1/29/2008 7:57:05 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

and of course there is an evolution of things but you cannot evolve outside your class. Example: plant kingdom, animal kingdom, people kingdom

Explain why small changes, when integrated over time, can't result in changes large enough to cross a class boundary.

By the way, you seem to be erroneously using the word "class" interchangeably with "kingdom" - a class is two taxonomic ranks below a kingdom; you cannot therefore describe the boundaries of a class in terms of "plant", "animal", etc, which are kingdoms.

Even if you wont budge on your dogmatic rejection of evolution, at least save us some headaches by learning the right words before you sound off.

1/29/2008 8:11:23 PM

Mr. Tambourine Man

Well, humans are frequently petty, violent, and cruel, so I can see where you're coming from on the "Godlike" comparison (if you go by the biblical God, anyway). Everything else, though, is complete bupkis.

1/29/2008 8:11:58 PM

Goosey

Reality doesn't agree with "I prefer".

1/29/2008 8:17:56 PM

Septic Sceptic

Yes Micheal, you are special.

That's why you take the special bus to that special school.

Where you spend all day eating the paint.

1/29/2008 8:19:46 PM

Old Viking

If we're godlike, god is humanlike. No wonder he's clueless.

1/29/2008 8:25:21 PM

John

but if you want to believe that an amoeba became a monkey after a million years and then fell off a tree, tail was cut off, and we got jobs and became humans.... that is fine

Here's an amoeba:

Amoeba

Here's a human (as we start out ...)

Egg

Don't look that much different, do they?

1/29/2008 8:38:18 PM