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And I also believe I have a right to ignore science when it conflicts with my personal happiness. Scientists have the freedom to give naturalistic interpretations to Near-Death Experiences, and I have the right to ignore those interpretations completely. I accept heliocentrism and evolution because the price to pay is not unbearable; but I will never accept a scientific finding that points to the absence of life after death - that's really too much to bear.

emotional, Internet Infidels 23 Comments [7/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Hw22

So keep denying it. That means there will be life after death.

4/29/2008 11:36:19 PM

szena

Truth is not determined by what you think makes life bearable.

4/30/2008 12:03:42 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

And the dead body sitting in the casket is what? A lamp shade?

(a dead body sounds like proof positive of no life after death other than decomposition)

9/29/2008 3:09:00 AM

El Guapo

Science will never be able to refute "life after death", because it makes no predictions about the real world. However, Occam's razor sort of rules it out. Life after death requires that the quality of "life" exists beyond what we can sense. While this may be true, it is unneccessary to explain any real phenomenon (that I can think of), and therefore, ad hoc. Metaphysical statements like these can't be addressed by empiricism, but they can be rationally addressed.

9/29/2008 2:12:03 PM

aaa

Denial.

9/29/2008 2:13:23 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Well, pfffft, anything that makes me unhappy just . . . just . . . has no validity in my world at all. Fagedaboudit. Fiddlededee, tomorrow's another day.

9/29/2008 2:17:59 PM

Tomby Stone

I completely understand and respect your right to think that way *cough*pussy*cough*.

9/29/2008 3:51:07 PM

Carbonated Margarine

Was your very-long-term absence of life before birth too much to bear?

9/29/2008 3:59:02 PM



Its comfortable leaning on that crutch now but its gonna hurt when it snaps like a twig under the massive weight.

10/20/2008 4:22:48 PM

Alleyprowler

Reality doesn't give a damn what you think.

1/19/2011 11:11:33 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Fine by me. However, when if you start calling near death experiences "science" and try to use them to shoe horn religion into my childrens' classrooms, then we have a problem.

1/19/2011 11:21:23 AM

Anon

This fundies statement, in other, simpler words:

"LALALALALAAAA!!!! I CANT HEAR YOU!!!"

My dear fundie, exactly this is the ideology that lead to the great financial crisis.

I have the right to ignore basic financial mathematics when it conflicts with my personal happiness. I WANT that house, and I want it NOW, because I must keep up with the Jones. Don't confuse me with unbearable things like mortgage payments or interest rates."

1/19/2011 12:27:49 PM

jas43

lol the religious know all about when we die?

read about dmt and your own brain.

fucking educate yourself.

1/19/2011 1:39:12 PM

Swede

I stopped being scared of death after I had a few epileptic seizures. I figured death was sort of like that; being completely gone, only longer than the 15 minutes or so that it takes until I'm fully aware after a seizure.
Sure, I don't want to die now, I want to do many things before I die. But being nothing at all is hardly scary. Being not born yet was not the least bit scary, as I recall. Or not recall, actually.

1/19/2011 1:41:54 PM

Anon

@Swede:

Yep, I had a similiar experience once, when the doc miscalculated the dose of an otherwise standard injection, which sent me instantly into deep unconsciousness for around 20 minutes.

This experience was remarkably, because I can remember exactly the moment when I entered, and when I left unconsciousness. Both were more or less in an instant.

These 20 minutes were the closest thing so far I would compare to the mental state in death. It was 'non-existence'. It was exactly the same feeling I had in 1700 and before. And I expect to have the same feeling in 2200 and beyond in all eternity.

Interestingly, it wasn't scary at all. We all fear death, but this is of course because evolution hard-coded it in our brains (fear of death is an enormous evolutionary advantage). To "not exist" is not scary at all.

1/19/2011 1:56:46 PM

Justanotheratheist

You can also not accept a scientific finding that there are no pink unicorns on the moon.

Won't change the reality, though.

1/20/2011 1:46:08 AM

radda

You know what? This guy is sensible. He says he wants to believe so-and-so, and reject things that oppose it. Thats fine. Go ahead.

As long as religious people dont fuck things up for other people and/or scientific progress with their beliefs, I honestly dont care what they think.

This guy gives me the impression that he isnt neccesarily the "fucking things up for other people" kind of believer.

1/20/2011 5:58:50 AM

Anon-e-moose

"And I also believe I have a right to ignore science when it conflicts with my personal happiness."

Okay. But next time you catch a dose, and your personal convictions conflict with your pain, thus preventing you from receiving proper medical (based on science, which you choose to ignore) treatment for your personal penis...!

'Remember: you can never say the word 'Happiness' without saying Penis'

-Nick Abbot (LBC Radio presenter)

X3

"I accept heliocentrism and evolution because the price to pay is not unbearable"

Want to live in that river in Egypt? Fine. You do that. But what you say here is so telling:

"Scientists have the freedom to give naturalistic interpretations to Near-Death Experiences, and I have the right to ignore those interpretations completely."

"but I will never accept a scientific finding that points to the absence of life after death - that's really too much to bear."

That's what you fundies are so scared of: Nothing. As in complete neurological oblivion. The cessation of what makes you you, as you experience brain-death by hypoxia. So you & your ilk came up with this comforting security blankie of the 'soul', and that such will 'go to Heaven' after you die. Now ask yourself this question, emotional:

Prove the so-called 'soul' exists.

But you can't. Thus proof of your delusion called 'faith'. Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.

PROTIP: Like we Atheists, you'll end up cold & rotting in a box. And that's what you & your ilk find not just too much to bear, but unimaginably terrifying.

I acknowledge, and accept that one day I will cease to exist - neurologically and physiologically. Thus I realise that the life I have is the only one I'll ever get. Ergo:



QED. But you keep hold of that security blankie you call your 'faith' in a death-grip, emotional, and keep living in that river in Egypt.

Because one day, the Reality called Death is going to bite you on the arse.

1/20/2011 10:23:08 AM

Canadiest

Look Christians, it's not that hard to accept. Death is only inevitable.

Grow up

Maybe I'm too hard on you. It's true that you don't have to believe in scientific opinion even if your only reason for this is religious belief. Also, your not trying to discredit science with Fundie bullshit so : Not Fundie, but from a fundie site

1/21/2011 12:09:49 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Tough shit.

3/1/2011 12:45:26 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Tough shit.

8/3/2012 11:27:03 AM

whatever

This thread brings to mind the proverb "Don't complain about the twig in your neighbour's eye when you have a log in your own".

My father and I have both had experience of spirit. Too bad science for all it's wonders has a cutoff point. I'm sure they can explain bits of the near death experience, but not all of it.

(Sits back and waits to be labelled a "troll").

8/3/2012 11:47:06 AM

Nagol

Well, at least you accept evolution, that's definitely progress.

8/3/2012 2:12:30 PM
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