morality does not have to be defined by religion ... morality develops over time (it's why some cultures have different mores and taboos), and it keeps societies in one piece. Basically, we evolved morals.
2/12/2008 4:57:39 PM
"what i want is a non christian view as to why i shouldn't do these things."
Because if this life is the only chance anyone has, who the hell has the right to end it prematurely?
Also, why would you be a dick to your fellow man, a man who is just as genetically human as you and just as deserving of his possessions/life/family/happiness/freedom as you are yours?
12/2/2009 9:51:45 PM
the "Ethic of Reciprocity" (AKA the idea that you should do to other people what you'd like them to do to you, and not do to others what you wouldn't want them to do to you) is a lot older then Christianity, and sayings which are nearly identical in phrasing and/or meaning to the Biblical "Golden Rule" have existed in most major religions and cultures throughout the world. There was a version of it in Ancient Egypt 2000 years before Christ. There are also versions of it in Native American spirituallity.
So it's far from being a soley Christian ethic, it almost seems like some variation on that idea has been the basis of ALL ethical systems, although not all cultures state it outright.
12/2/2009 11:06:17 PM
That IS a non-christian view.
The christian one is, "God will rat your ass out to his other son the devil in a heartbeat and let him smite you up the poopchute forever."
12/2/2009 11:07:50 PM
From the categorical imperative of Kant's Principles of the Metaphysics of Morals:
"I am never to act otherwise than so that I could also will that my maxim should become a universal law."
Or, as paraphrased by mothers everywhere, "What if everyone did that, hmm? Then where would we be?"
12/3/2009 4:10:57 AM
"Once again i am recieving a lot of christian morals and ethics such as : Do unto others as you would have them do unto you . But that's not what i want , what i want is a non christian view as to why i shouldn't do these things."
The Wiccan Rede says:
'And it harm none, Do what thou wilt.'
And even with we Atheists, it's 'We wouldn't like being killed, and have our property stolen/damaged, so why should we do the same to others?' Also 'Treat others as we'd like them to treat us', and 'Commit acts of gratuitous kindness', as well as 'Be good for goodness' sake'.
Also, there's the law of the land to take into account.
So in terms of flexibility, morals-wise, you're screwed. Conformity. It's hardwired into us. The Civility Imperative. Otherwise, it'd be worse than anarchy. And you'd end up dead, Brain Damage. Appropriate name, really.
Because to think otherwise, certainly isn't normal.
12/3/2009 8:12:20 AM
Because you wouldn't want them done to you.
It's basic egoism, really, nothing Christian about that. Or is there?
12/3/2009 8:15:44 AM
If you really want to know, just ask some of the violent offenders in your local prison. Gotta warn you though, statistically speaking most of them will identify themselves as Christians. But then that's the beauty of being a Christian isn't it? Once you've said the magic words, your god doesn't care what you do.
12/3/2009 8:55:00 AM
You could follow the principles of learning as we do with all behavior. Morality is learned via Operant and Classical Conditioning, modeling, and empirical evidence. You shouldn't "do these things" because of the obvious results).
Oh for chrissakes, fukkit -if the only reason you're moral is from fear of an ancient sky daddy, then I encourage you to stick with it ya sociopathic pscyhotic fuckstick.
Oh and your golden rule really falls apart when you consider those who are masochists.
12/3/2009 9:25:49 AM
How about "don't be an asswipe"?
12/3/2009 2:08:05 PM
we do nice things because that's the right thing to do. Because good feels good. Because that's what we'd want done to us. Because they're our fellow human beings and deserve no less.
2/6/2011 9:48:12 PM
Society as a whole means humans working together for the benefit of all. When living in caves, with no established society, man could do for himself, all he needed to do to survive. He could hunt, gather berries and roots, make fire, cook food, make clothes, make weapons. As society became more 'advanced' the need for specialization became apparent. Can you build roads? Can you teach? Can you retrieve crude oil and refine it? The basic principles of society are that what we do is for the benefit of all. If nobody respected others and didn't treat them as they would wish to be treated, then society falls apart. If you'd prefer 'every man for himself', then I suggest you go back to living in a cave and hunting for your supper. Personally, I prefer today's society (with all it's flaws, nobody's perfect) where I can go to a restaurant or buy food to cook myself.
And I didn't mention your god, jesus, the bible, scripture, or any other christian reference. I didn't even mention reprisals and punishment for treating people badly. It seems you lack a basic moral compass. Is it perhaps a result of your 'brain damage'?
2/7/2011 4:35:14 AM
"...what i want is a non christian view as to why i shouldn't do these things."
Or, if you prefer, there is a way to find a Christian view of why you shouldn't follow the bible's moral teachings. It is the subject of an entire sub-genre of Christian writings. It is called, "apologetics."
2/7/2011 7:22:13 AM
Thanks to ReligiousTolerance.org and the Scarboro Missions:
2/7/2011 3:27:41 PM
Because they're wrong, they were wrong in many societies long before the Bible or Christians tainted the Earth. Way back then and today many laws protect citizens from things religion accepted or encouraged and things they never even considered. Laws even protect us from religions agendas. Americas history would be dismal had the puritans or other Christians achieved control, there'd be no freedoms, no land ownership and no control over your life and family.
Again I have to mention, the laws and morals of healthy societies is not the creation of any religion. Christianity in particular has been taking credit for values they never implimented or supported and would remove if they had the power.
2/8/2011 8:38:37 AM
Who said that do unto others is a strictly Christian thing? Several philosophies came up with it centuries before Jesus or the Bible.
12/8/2011 10:34:03 PM