What’s going to happen when humans are successful [with human cloning]. Will cloned humans have spirits? If they don’t, could demons enter them? With no human spirit to contend with in a genetically perfect body, what havoc could these beings wreak on the world? And how would they be stopped?
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You're absolutely right. I mean, one out of two identical twins is always an homicidal, demon-possessed monstrosity that the government must track down and slay.
Really, the distinction between identical twins and clones is pretty small; if some issues with telomeres and whatnot can be worked out, clones would be identical twins that simply did not gestate with their twin.
So unless you are, in fact, arguing that only one twin of a set of identical twins ends up with a soul, you've got no leg to stand on. And if you are willing to argue that...well, there are some nice men with a white coat for you to try on.
So clones are supposedly "genetically perfect" now? And if they were soulless, they might possibly be readily occupied by -- of all things -- demons? Souls and spirits haven't even ever been shown to exist, and their existence is just one of many absurd assumptions at work here.
First of all, I get the impression that this poster's knowledge of science comes from such classically unimpeachable sources as Thrilling Wonder Stories , circa 1950 (or earlier).
And second, seriously, fundies live in a fantastic, magical world. I really don't understand how they ever manage to interact meaningfully and workably with the real one.
If a cloned human does not have a soul, then we can harvest them for body parts. That would stop the "genetically perfect bodies" from wreaking havoc.
Of course there are no souls and demons. More fundy made up nonsense.
Yet another point for fundies to waste hours pondering, rather than worrying about how to help those in need, who may be less fortunate than themselves. Pathetic, moronic and pointless.
Only if there were such things as 'demons', but the only demons you see, are in your fertile imagination. If raised like any old baby, a cloned human would develop the same way as a 'normally produced' baby.
demons have to be more than figments of one's imagination before they can possess someone. as for the soul, there's no proof of that either, so why worry that clones don't have something we can't even prove exists?
I think so far they use human uteri, so cloned humans are completely identical to regular generic humans.
The only problem is when they start using robotic uteruses, because that might be really hot. :D
Clones are genetically perfect? Really up on our cloning science I see. First of all there's no such thing as a soul/spirit/ whatever.
Second, I think you should not watch any more Zombie movies, you seem to have that Christian condition of inability to tell fiction from reality (there must be a psych term for this, I'm to tired to look it up).
God'sKid doesn't know what he's talking about.
BTW: If he's "God'sKid", should we address him as Jesus?
For the last time! Demons aren't real!
=== Imaginary ===
Do you see how this works?
Cloned humans will have spirits in the original meaning of the word as 'breath'. They'll also have them in the later meaning of that word, 'consciousness'. They won't have them in the sense of a ghost driving a meat machine.
We'll just have to pass a law requiring scientists to put dog spirits in the clones. Dog spirits would be perfect - loyal, obedient, worshipful of their masters.
But we can't let them have the vote though since the above qualities might make them vote republican.
DaMan: "Wow. Great story. Which anime is this?"
I was thinking the same thing.
The stupidity of this statement is overwhelming. I guess if one believes in souls it could be an issue, but it's just another baby using the exact DNA of a human like a twin. Wouldn't your god give them a soul, womb or not? And how is this any different then test tube babies, really?
"Will cloned humans have spirits?"
Does any human have spirits?
"If they don’t, could demons enter them?"
Do demons exist?
You need to rethink your stupid questions.
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Hey, this is a GREAT idea for a B-movie. In fact, I can just imagine that movie trailer voice reading God'sKid's exact lines :)
Rapture Ready - just when you think they have hit rock bottom they haul out those shovels and start to dig...
So, clones are not only "genetically perfect," they're invincible as well?
Wait, I get it!
They won't have souls because humans created them. Twins have souls because God split them in the womb and gave them both souls. Humans don't have souls to hand out.
I love how humans can create a "genetically perfect" body but God'sKid apparently thinks his dad can't.
A clone is just a twin. Personally, I like the idea of twins, but I see someone learned science from bad horror films. I can see if I donated my DNA for research, and they produced my twin brother (born many years too late) he might have spirits if he decided to become a bartender. Screwdriver, anyone? Scotch and soda? Bloody Mary?
Hey, even Replicants have souls.
Main question being "how can they be stopped?"...all these fundies are interested in, is the destruction of whatever they don't understand.
Which covers damn near everything.
Will cloned humans have spirits?
Do both identical twins have spirits? There's no difference between a clone and an identical twin, other than the method used to obtain the cell copy.
You people are just confusing the poor kid. Listen, God'sKid ...
The clones wont have spirits per se but demons cannot enter them because God has coated them in a magic plus 4 strength force field. You don't have to worry about the havoc they might wreak as they are controlled by angels via big invisible marionette strings. You shouldn't try to stop them as they're a part of God's wonderful plan, God knows what he's doing and he loves you very much so don't even worry about these things. Now run along and play and we'll just finish up here.
Bearing in mind that a clone, given the state of science now, has to be gestated in a normal womb like a normal baby, how does it differ from any other child? Or are you saying all those in vitro babies are soulless demons?
Another post in the thread:
<fundy>Isn't there somewhere in Romans or Corinthians that talks about men and women going against the natural use of one another. But could you imagine how messed up these babies would be. The creation of life should be left to God and only God for he knows how to correct the mistakes and knows how to mix things just right to get the right combination.</fundy>
I wonder what this doofus thinks about a whole host of birth defects. That god really knows how to correct the mistakes.
"Will cloned humans have spirits? If they don’t, could demons enter them?" Waaaait a minute ... I thought you Fundie nutballs believed that demons can, and do, enter humans who DO have spirits.
In fact, your own New Testament describes Jesus curing what appears to be epileptic seizures, and refers to it as "casting out demons".
Sheesh! If you're going to make up demons and souls, at least be CONSISTENT about them.
This actually sounds like a great horror plot. In the near future, scientists are cloning a large number of genetically modified 'perfect' humans for wealthy parents. However, these new clones don't have souls, are infected by demons, and only the whole world and its combined force of SWAT teams and armies can stop them...
...nah, wait... bad plot [throws it in garbage bin with the other fundie-worldviews-as-movie-plots]... sad.
Unable to distinguish fiction from reality? You're quixotic, then. Like Don Quixote, who saw giants instead of common windmills, from the book by Cervantes.
There's dictionary usage and a literary reference all wrapped into one. Probably too much for such a hopeless, clueless, weep-into-my palm/desk noob.
Can anyone send this post to Steven Speilberg? Cause if so, it would be the plot of one heck of a horror movie! As for "Gods kid", get real, realize that clones are like identical twins, and stop FAILing.
That's a pretty damn good premise for a supernatural horror film. As an objective question, however, it falls flat on its face. If cloning is successful, we'll surely be relieved of the issue you state, even if the process is problematic in other ways.
Having a little trouble pulling free of the Middle Ages? Back then, some believed that there was only one soul available per pregnancy, and the first baby to emerge from the womb got it. Subsequent same-pregnancy sibs didn't get one, so they were without souls and therefore inherently evil.
Of course, the Middle Ages were rife with beliefs that we, today, know to be mere superstition. Well, at least most of us know that...the sane ones among us, anyway...
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