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I think it is YOU who does not understand what separation of church and state means. It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular world-view (which in the Founder's time was called Religion).

The MoCo school board is forcing a particular worldview on its students by presenting homosexuality as innate (which is a belief, not a fact) and 'normal' and 'acceptable.' You do not get to say that your worldview about moral behavior is ok for the state to support and mine is not.

Therefore, we leave the issue out of the tax-funded forum! You see, that is separation of Church and state. Just because your church is the one of "secularism' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable.

flabbergasted, The Washington Post (comments) 40 Comments [2/5/2008 3:41:38 PM]
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agentCDE

So separation of Church and State bans the teaching of tolerance and acceptance now. Huh.

2/5/2008 3:43:28 PM

freako104

Separation of Church and state means that any one religion is not endorsed and the two shall not be entwined. Now Montgomery County: Liberal, multicultural, open minded. You may want to leave there.

2/5/2008 3:47:01 PM

Seamus D

Sorry, but YOU are just plain wrong.

2/5/2008 3:49:39 PM



One, if homosexuality is innate or not must be a FACT, not an opinion. Either is in the genes, or not. A simple study would confirm it. And, of course, that homosexuality is natural or not is not a religious statement, so the first ammendment still applies.

2/5/2008 3:52:15 PM

David B.

"Just because your church is the one of "secularism' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable."

secular adjective
Not having any connection with religion.

secularism noun
The belief that religion should not be involved with the ordinary social and political activities of a country.

(Cambridge International Dictionary.)

So secularism would be the doctrine of the separation of church and state, a constitutional right. Apparently, flabbergasted is flabbergasted to find out that constitution rights are being banded around as though they were somehow guaranteed by the constitution or something.

Nominate for 'unacceptable ursine defecation in arboreal habitats' award.

2/5/2008 3:53:19 PM



Unless they do it in order to support some church or covenant of the homosexual phallus, they don't fall under the category of religion. Did you miss any part at all of the first ammendment or you just don't know how to read and write?

2/5/2008 3:56:32 PM



Homosexuality is a religion now?

2/5/2008 3:58:16 PM

Caustic Gnostic

DEEP THOUGHT OF THE DAY: Some people are like slinkies. They don't really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

2/5/2008 4:04:38 PM

Mister Spak

I think it is YOU who does not understand what separation of church and state means. It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular religion (which in the Founder's time was also called Religion).

You are proposing forcing a particular religion on its students by presenting homosexuality as a choice (which is a belief, not a fact) and 'abomination' and 'sin.' You do not get to say that your religion about moral behavior is ok for the state to support and reality is not.

Therefore, we leave the issue out of the tax-funded forum! You see, that is separation of Church and state. Just because your church is the one of "fundieism' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable.

Fixed.

2/5/2008 4:10:17 PM

Bryan65

Fundies like to create their own definitions.

2/5/2008 4:25:07 PM

James

"presenting homosexuality as innate (which is a belief, not a fact)"

We have this wonderful technology now called magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI for short. Basically, it allows us to 'see' the tiny electrical currents in the brain when it processes certain stimuli.

The funny thing is, when gay men are subjected to sexual images, the areas of the brain that deal with sexual attraction react in exactly the same way as that of a straight female (which is dissimilar to straight men), with little to no input for the parts of the brain responsible for conscious thought.

Such things prove beyond a shadow of a fucking doubt that homosexuality is hard-wired in the brain and unchangeable by any methods known to modern medicine or psychiatry, in other words innate.

You're assertion that secularism is a religion is also fundamentally stupid, since that is like calling bald a hair colour.

Good day to you, sir.

2/5/2008 4:34:45 PM

approximate

Separation of Church and State is a great idea until the State does something my Church doesn't agree with. Then, vested with the power of an imaginary Sky Daddy, we get to stomp all over the Constitution and force these heathen bastards back into line.

Now, I'm not an American, but wasn't this batshit idea of secularism as a religion settled in the courts back in the 80's?

2/5/2008 4:35:44 PM

Reverend Davidius

and bald is a hair color

2/5/2008 4:42:43 PM

Wandering Discordian

@freako104
I'm from MC, and let me tell you, it is neither liberal nor multicultural. Open minded, perhaps, but it sure isn't the first two. Why? It's very a wealthy place. Wealth is not evenly distributed among ethnicities, nor is wealth conducive to a liberal viewpoint. A libertarian viewpoint, perhaps, but not a liberal one.

2/5/2008 4:43:22 PM

lumax

Dear flabbergasted, I was just curious - what colour crayon is your dictionary written in? Also what country are you from? I always wanted to go to the land of make-believe tho I'ld go to fantasyland too. Do you have off-season rates?

2/5/2008 4:43:49 PM

apYrs

so if a school teaches respect even for queers you feel persecuted.

2/5/2008 5:06:38 PM

GigaGuess

By your logic, all school should be is a room of children staring at the wall.

2/5/2008 5:10:47 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Hey! I live in Montgomery County! I thought we'd flushed all the fundibigots like flabbergass down the loo years ago. They must be like those albino alligators, breeding in the sewers and occasionally slitering back through a crack in a toilet pipe.

BTW, Montgomery County IS indeed both liberal and multi-cultural.

2/5/2008 5:10:47 PM

toothache

Have you got enough straws to clutch at there?

2/5/2008 5:13:48 PM

Deriamis

Huh. Well, then you wouldn't mind if we took any mention at all of God and the Bible out of schools, then - or any other tax-funded forum. That includes Intelligent Design because it mentions a "creator" which some people don't believe in.

Why? Because your church is one of "Christianity", which has a long and proven history of forcing a particular worldview onto others.

No? Well, then STFU.

2/5/2008 5:23:54 PM

Amanda

Homosexuality is not a church.

2/5/2008 5:31:14 PM

Osiris

Apparently the Fundie Word Redefinition project is no longer contained in just our time frame.

2/5/2008 5:36:54 PM

484

I think it is YOU who does not understand what separation of church and state means. It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular world-view (which in the Founder's time was called Religion).

The MoCo school board is forcing a particular worldview on its students by presenting being black as innate (which is a belief, not a fact) and 'normal' and 'acceptable.' You do not get to say that your worldview about moral behavior is ok for the state to support and mine is not.

Therefore, we leave the issue out of the tax-funded forum! You see, that is separation of Church and state. Just because your church is the one of "acceptance' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable.

2/5/2008 6:00:05 PM

Mike


2/5/2008 6:29:00 PM

caitshidhe

Because separation of church and state ONLY applies to what the fundies object to. When it refers to teaching religion/creation/whatever in school, well, then, there's no separation at all!

What sucks is that this is going on right where I live. *humiliated*

2/5/2008 6:35:41 PM
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