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"No one denies that cremation facilities (ovens) existed at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Cremation is the most sanitary way to dispose of corpses that may be diseased. Birkenau was, strictly speaking, a "death camp," in that it was the facility to which any member of the entire camp system was sent who was terminally ill. The bodies of nearly all those who died in the camp system-- mostly from typhus and other diseases which raged through it-- were sent to Birkenau to be incinerated.

None of those people were intentionally killed by the Germans. Most of them were not Jews. The existence of crematoria does not prove or even demonstrate exterminations of anyone.

Auschwitz was a rubber manufacturing plant. The allies knew intimately from their intelligence resources what was going on inside. They knew there were never any exterminations; that's why they didn't bomb Auschwitz.

The railway lines to Auschwitz were presumably to ship in raw materials and ship out finished product.

Getting back to the ovens at Birkenau, here is a quote from Heinrich Himmler in an interview with a representative of the World Jewish Congress just a few weeks before the end of the war:

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"In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by diesease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."

So the existence of the ovens was a boon for the post-war investigators who used them to begin constructing the Holocaust Legend, and frame the Germans for exterminations that never happened."

A-Train, JREF Forum 28 Comments [2/21/2008 1:31:09 AM]
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JonnyTruant

Well, let me go ask my family friend who lost both his parents and a sibling to the ovens of concentration camps what he thinks. From his accounts, his parents certainly didn't sound like they suffered from typhus or other ailments when they dragged them from the line-ups to be cremated. But let me go make sure.

You know... it really is a little creepy when people counter even Germany's official record in order to paint the Nazis as cuddly teddy bears. They were monsters... a social experiment gone horribly awry. We need to not forget how atrocious they were that nothing like it will happen again. Something this fool seems to want in the worst way.

2/21/2008 1:58:42 AM

antichrist

There's a book called "those were the days". In it are letters and photographs from people who worked in the camps. Pretty damn good evidence about what was happening there.

But I'm sure that was all made up too.

2/21/2008 2:11:05 AM

Zipperback

Wouldn't the allies bomb Auschwitz if it WAS a rubber factory?

If you bomb a camp full of prisoners, you accomplish nothing towards winning the war. You just end up killing a mess of prisoners and you don't really save the ones that would be shipped to Auschwitz because they'd just get redirected elsewhere.

Bombing a rubber factory would deprive Nazis of tires, gas masks and boot soles, effectively diminishing their effectiveness in battle and economy. It's not quite as good as steel or petroleum but if one were to destroy the entire Nazi rubber supply and deprive them of rubber their transportation capability would be almost nil, killing their supply lines and offensive capability.

2/21/2008 6:38:35 AM

C in TX

Yea, like Himmler was the epitome of honesty and didn't have any reason to lie.

You are fooling yourself if you believe this crap. It never ceases to amaze me that people take the time to debunk things that have so much research behind them.

Himmler didn't lie, but thousands of other Germans did when they falsified all that papoerwork about the concentration camps. That was the conspiracy, not the camps. Thousands of Germans worked all through the war to make up all that phony paperwork just so their whole country, and themselves, would look like monsters to the rest of the world.

But it wasn't Himmler lying, of course not.

2/21/2008 7:34:35 AM

aaa

That's a new one.

2/21/2008 10:10:33 AM

Athar

Yes, when you want facts of the nazis inhuman atrocities, why you go to Heinrich Himmler. Not only one of the highest ranking members of the third reich but also the man in charge of the whole damn operation and the man who suggested the final solution in the first place!

Yeah he's clearly the best person to ask. Concentration camps were originally designed as reeducation camps for political opponents and anti nazis. They were then converted into death camps during the end of the war because the nazi still had a lot of jews to remove and remove quickly and hitlers well thought out, lets send them all to madagascar plan wasn't really going to happen seeing as they were in the middle of taking on the whole of europe.

Besides even if what himmler said was true(which it isn't) it just shows that the nazis were subjecting the jews to such poor conditions that diesese was rampent.

2/21/2008 12:34:57 PM



And what about the tombs that have been found in a cementery nearby, all German names?. What about those Jewish cementeries who were vandalised and the guys who just fade in the air who were "working" in one of those crematoria?. What about the countless testimonies of the survivors?. And, despite all that, we have to believe the not so plausible theory of this guy.

2/21/2008 3:39:22 PM



Shave your back!

2/21/2008 4:08:55 PM

Osiris

Well yeah after you just gases or starve 6 million Jews to death you have to keep the bodies from infecting the people who operate the camps. Other then that the rest is bullshit.

2/21/2008 9:31:54 PM

Frank

Why does anyone think that the fact that the Nazis burned as many non-Jews as Jews imply that the Nazis should be shown in less harsh of a light? The 6 million dead Jews doesn't change, the fact that they killed 6+ million gentiles on top of that just makes the crime that much more horrible.

2/22/2008 12:29:53 AM

inmate22841

And yet if you were to state these claims publicly in Germany you would be jailed for a criminal offense.
If the GERMANS admit the death camps happened then we can assume they happened.
Oh, and then there were the allied troops who liberated the camps and found them full of prisoners and still operational.

Next week from A-Train.
"Why slavery never happened - African working holidays in Mississippi."

2/22/2008 9:39:03 AM



@JonnyTruant: We shouldn for get what what happened ther or those mistakes will be repeated

2/22/2008 12:22:36 PM

Eileen

Your words make me vomit, you schmuck!

2/22/2008 6:20:31 PM

Old Viking

Look at newsreels of the camps being liberated. Faked? Naw. The only thing being faked is your humanity.

2/22/2008 11:31:19 PM

Delirium

The stupid. It burns.

2/22/2008 11:51:12 PM

Remus

Yup because Heinrich Himmler is obviously he most reliable source when it comes to the holocaust. No reason to doubt his words at all.

2/23/2008 1:08:51 AM



No one denies that there were ovens ready for dead corpses that were not meant to exist. Fixed.

2/23/2008 11:28:17 AM

Fanatic-Templar

The nazis were no more atrocious than much of Europe had been for centuries... but they were a hell of a lot more efficient at perpetuating those atrocities.

And while the jews weren't the only ones in the death camps, they were certainly a... significant portion.

2/23/2008 8:07:56 PM

POSW

Eileen, you tell 'em.
Asshole.

2/24/2008 6:24:33 PM

booley

Uh huh..

And so millions of people that the Nazis didn't like just happened to be terminally ill?

And the tattoos? Did the Nazis just not believe in ID tags for their "patients"?

What's really sad is that the farther away we get from this point in history, the more "reasonable" this crap is going to start sounding to some people.

2/24/2008 10:23:47 PM

Chancellor Gorkon

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Asshole Train.

2/25/2008 6:07:50 PM

Nemesis

Tell that to my grandfather, shithead. He was there when the camps were liberated.

2/25/2008 10:38:28 PM

Alina

What?

2/29/2008 2:52:43 PM

anatiedaephobic

And the showers were due to an unfortunate mix up by the plummer... And the Nazi's were just VISITING Poland.

3/7/2008 1:42:02 AM

Anon E Mouse

Yes, Mr. A-Train, you might have come home to find your house splashed in human feces and lit on fire. Sure, I was standing outside your house with a bucket of feces and a flamethrower. However, you're ignoring the obvious explanation: I am a sexual pervert trying to find news ways of mowing the lawn.

Yes, yes, _you_ think that I had set fire to your house after dousing it with crap. However, it would obviously be a financial boon to you if that were true - you could sue me and take my money after all! We can't trust what you say.

Therefore, I didn't do it.

3/11/2012 6:35:35 AM
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