any woman is capable of being pregnant. Even if she is sterile there is still possibility. In marriage whenever there is sex there is ALWAYS possibility to life. If that possibility is taken away, then it can't be a valid marriage because of procreation.
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Yes, it's never the man who's incapable with you fundies is it?
Still, good for the wife...
Wifey: Darling, great news! I'm pregnant!(outraged) Darling! Remember what Renton405 said on Christian Forums , any woman is capable of being pregnant!(narrows eyes) You must have believed that we could make a baby or you would have been sinning by 'knowing' me!(casually) Really? I didn't know that.
"If that possibility is taken away, then it can't be a valid marriage because of procreation."
<sarcasm>Yes, because EVERYONE knows the puropose of marriage is procreation<sarcasm>.
To ScienceDT,
Technically, the definition of being infertile, is merely that the women didn't get pregnant after a year of contraceptive-free intercourse. There are women who are "sterile" who end up with a child. My 5th grade teacher was one.
But this fact doesn't really do much to detract from the stupidity of the post.
Sterile means that she can't have children because her organs and hormones don't work, as opposed to fertile women.It's not a choice, IT'S NATURE. For whatever reason. Did you go to the English class lately. And to another of biology, by the way.
Thank you Eileen. Given that defintion of 'sterility', then I understand your point.
The word 'sterile' implies to me an absolute - that a person is truly incapable of reproduction, not that it hasn't occurred after a year. However, I defer to the medical community's definition.
Strange how it's so often the fundies who seem to think there's no point to marriage other than basic sex and reproduction; yet they invariably accuse atheists of caring nothing about love or higher things in adult relationships (appreciating another person's intellect and character, facing life's trials together and supporting each other, etc) and wanting nothing but sex for pleasure, which they denounce as a sin. Evidently sharing sexual pleasure with one you love is included in that list of unnecessary components for a relationship.
Sterile means she can't conceive, you moronic sack of crap.
Even if she is sterile there is still possibility.
Methinks someone needs to look up the meaning of STERILE.
That said, I suppose he means serving as a surrogate, but still...
David B:
"Hubby: In fact they said it was minus! People actually get less fertile by being near me!"
That post was 700 varieties of win, but this line nailed me :-D
Yeah but when you use condoms there is a small chance too. So that means its ok to use condoms, rigth? Especially since the chance to get pregnant is greater with condoms than, say, sterility.
"Even if she is sterile there is still possibility."
No there isn't, what do you think sterile means?
@Caustic Gnostic:
I lol'd so hard, I spit my soda. Good work.
This sounds exactly like my high school theology teacher, albeit developed slightly more to her own benefit. Nice lady, but she believed abortion was never justifiable even to protect the mother's life because God could always provide a miracle to protect her...
and yet this woman told us that because she was sterile, she and her husband did not have sex.
God, where's the miracle?
Poor lady.
Really? Then according to your fucked up logic, women who know they can't conceive can't marry? I should run and tell my hubby that we don't have a 'valid marriage' due to lack of procreative ability... all we can legally do is have lots of dirty sweaty sex instead.
Also,go read what 'sterile' means. Your dictionary is ummm broken.
Of all the absurd shit I've seen Renton spew, this tops it.
Go die in a fire, you ass.
Well, technically, he's right.
If a woman is incapable of becoming pregnant, we say she is "barren", not sterile.
I suspect that Renton405 meant 'menopausal', and hisevidence is the story of Sarah in the Bible.
I'll give you the miracle of getting pregannt past sterilization. My mom managed that, so I'll give you that.
But in the world would God be able to defy something THAT inbred, but can't get past the pill or condoms? And on top of that, why do we have to procreate to be married? You want Britney Spears to have kids for all of her cheap 3-day marriages?!
Anna, I thought of this question myself, and looking around was unable to find an answer. It is especially difficult to define as there is not "golden number" of times to have sex in a happy, fulfilled relationship.
I can only speculate that the doctor would take into account how many times intercourse taken place before declaring a prognosis. S/he would be more likely to say a woman was infertile if she had unprotected sex say.... 250 times in the year (and yes, I DID just pull that number out of my arse) than if the woman had only had sex 150 times in the past year.
Though, I'm not a doctor, so I could be incorrect.
Tell that to women in fertility clinics, sobbing beside their husbands because, as much as they want to, they simply can't concieve.
Tell that to a woman whose cancer has taken her uterus away from her.
Or better yet, volunteer to knock up some woman in a nursing home. Have fun with Ethel and Mildred, dear.
@L: Try telling that to fundies. If they believed that, they probably wouldn't be as against gay marriage as they are now.
So, Renton405, according to you, my great-uncle and his wife aren't married because they're above childbearing age? Their marriage contract automatically vanished once she went through menopause? What about my grandparents? Are they single now, too? Get a grip.
What also sickens me is when they use the "marriage is only for procreation" argument to justify a husband cheating on and/or deserting his barren wife. Losers.
Sterile means that that person, woman or not, CAN´T HAVE CHILDREN. Period. And in many religions, sterility is not a valid reason to invalidate a marriage. Following your logic, should men divorce their wives after menopause?
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