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I liked Leon Brown's question to one atheist while he was open air preaching, he asked the man, "How many grains of sand are in the beach out there" (referring to the beach that was nearby) The man of course says "I have no idea", Leon goes on to say "And you're gonna tell me there is no God. And you can't tell me how many grains of sand are there. In this big world, so infinite and vast you can't tell me how many grains of sand are there, and yet you can tell me there is no God"

Rita Martinez, Comfort Food -- Ray Comfort's Blog 86 Comments [2/25/2008 3:34:07 PM]
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lumax

I would have thrown out a random number then told him to prove me wrong.


2/25/2008 3:37:48 PM

EMR

Okay.......and how is the number of grains of sand even relevant to the question of God's existence? I hate this line of argumentation. It's just people hiding behind useless trivia.

2/25/2008 3:39:01 PM

TerriblyAmused

Such a logical question! And such a clever, yet completely rational follow-up!
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2/25/2008 3:40:36 PM

tangerio

Your point being.....?

2/25/2008 3:42:28 PM



But it is theoretically possible to *count* the grains of sand. Sure, PRACTICALLY, it's impossible, but the grains are there, and given enough time, a way to keep the tides back, and a pair of tweezers...

Edit: Changed the emphasis to make a bit more sense.

2/25/2008 3:43:20 PM

Caustic Gnostic

There are between a kazillion and a google grains of sand. Elementary.

There are many gods and goddesses. Every tribe dreamed up at least one. Take your pick. Protip: Play the field, and don't pay any attention to the monomaniacs.

2/25/2008 3:43:26 PM

Thundersqueaks

"You don't know everything, therefore god definitely exists." *sighs*

2/25/2008 3:51:12 PM

David B.

"In this big world, so infinite and vast you can't tell me how many grains of sand are there, and yet you can tell me there is no God"

No, I'm gonna tell you there's no proof of God. And a very large number of grains sand isn't proof of anything except the very long time it must have taken to weather the whole damn lot of them from solid rock.

2/25/2008 3:51:28 PM

Madame Scarlet

That. Is. Fucking. RETARDED.

"You don't know everything? THEN HOW CAN THERE NOT BE A GOD YOU SILLY ATHEIST!!!"

2/25/2008 3:56:19 PM



And of course, you have never approached it with a critical view. There is a difference between "I have no idea" because there are too many things to count and our cognitive capacity and our ability to count is limited(and the number is irrelevant)and "I have no idea"............because I have no idea.

2/25/2008 4:00:12 PM

big baby jesus

and god boy knows exactly how many grains of sand there are?

2/25/2008 4:03:12 PM

Mister Spak

HEY LEON!! IF you can't tell me how many grains of sand are on the beach yet when you claim there is a giant man with a long white beard who lives on clouds I should believe you?

2/25/2008 4:14:17 PM

logicprevails

But in theory the sand can be counted. There are methods of verifying an actual number while you're line of reasoning is at best speculation.

You don't know how many grains of sand there are either but you're going to tell me you know there is a god?

2/25/2008 4:18:36 PM

John

The old "argument from ignorance" - you can't answer X, therefore Y.

"In this big world, so infinite and vast you can't tell me how many grains of sand are there, and yet you can tell me all about God based on a book written by some anonymous bronze age Arab goat-herder."

2/25/2008 4:25:57 PM

antichrist

And Leon Brown knew how many grains of sand there are?

Seriously, you ask us these stupid fucking questions then get so fucking smug when we don't know the answer.

AT LEAST WE ADMIT WE DONT HAVE THE FUCKING ANSWERS!!!!

Sorry, rant over.

BTW I found this
Sand on a Beach

2/25/2008 4:26:43 PM

Septic Sceptic

So what is basically being stated here is that the more you know about the world, the closer you get to atheism.

Yes, that sounds about right.

2/25/2008 4:36:04 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"open air preaching"

I suppose that's like playing air guitar:

1. Absolutely no talent required; any fool can do it.

2. It doesn't accomplish anything practical.

3. It either annoys spectators or gives them something to shake their heads and laugh about.

2/25/2008 4:40:54 PM

Tomby Stone

This is insane, this is an argument for atheism if anything. The believers of the world are the ones telling you exactly how many grains of sand there are. The religious are telling you there are exactly 12,044,616,333 grains of sand on that beach and are asking you to bet your entire life and base your entire mode of behaviour on that assertion. The atheist is the one saying, 'I see no reason to believe that is exactly how many grains of sand there are'.

2/25/2008 4:55:04 PM

Fed Up

This makes no sense.

2/25/2008 5:07:01 PM

anevilmeme

"How many grains of sand are in the beach out there"

WARNING!!! Non-Sequitur imminent, this is not a drill, I repeat this is not a drill!

"In this big world, so infinite and vast you can't tell me how many grains of sand are there, and yet you can tell me there is no God"

2/25/2008 5:09:12 PM

Osiris

Do you know how many grains of sand there are? No. Then why should we let you tell us which god is real when you don't even know something like that?

2/25/2008 5:10:53 PM

Caustic Gnostic

Open-air atheist preacher.

Riiiight.

2/25/2008 5:13:03 PM

aaa

Can they tell that god exist?

2/25/2008 5:14:25 PM

David B.

Scenes We'd Like To See.

Preacher: "You sir! The self-proclaimed ay-theist! How many grains of sand are in the beach out there?"

Atheist: (puts on his Carl Sagan voice) "Bill-yuns and bill-yuns!"

2/25/2008 5:15:37 PM

Nameless

I thought God was supposed to more significant than a grain of sand. To know how many grains of sand there are on a beach, one has to take into account every single one of them, and nobody cares to know how many completely unimportant grains of sand there are on some mostly irrelevant beach.

I also thought these guys say there is only one god they call God. It's not like we are not able to spot him because there are so many other gods blocking the view.

Leon Brown's question is not a good one simply because he managed to surprise and confuse someone with it.

How green is a duck? ... How green is it? You can't tell me how green a duck is and you expect me to believe there is a god? BRRT! Your time is up. So, you agree there are no gods? No need to answer, as we already established that. Thank you, no further questions.

2/25/2008 5:33:47 PM
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