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Do people who say "children should choose their own beliefs REALLY believe that? So, if a 2 year old wants to believe a boiling pot of water will feel good when they pour it on thier head, they should believe that and be allowed to act on that belief? That is what "allowing kids to choose their own beliefs" really boils down to (pun intended).

Tim in Dallas, OneNewsNow.com 56 Comments [2/26/2008 12:17:47 PM]
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#416632
Joe

This kind of stupidity makes my blood boil. (pun intended)

2/26/2008 12:18:45 PM
#416635
Mister Spak

You have a point. Children should not me allowed to do things that will obviously harm them. That's why they should not be allowed access to christianity.

2/26/2008 12:21:22 PM
#416641
randomaccess9999

I feel dumber for having read that

2/26/2008 12:24:27 PM
#416643
Riddles

There is a difference between a fact (boiling water hurts) and a belief (religion)

2/26/2008 12:25:58 PM
#416657
James

Wow, wow, wow, no one ever said you should be allowed to act on all of your beliefs, that's just fucking stupid. Even though the bible says you should stone your kids to death for insolence, you get locked up for life for it.

2/26/2008 12:36:31 PM
#416688
Blackvoice

Yeah, if my kids wanted to be christian, I'd react about the same way as if they were going to shower in boiling water.

2/26/2008 12:59:51 PM
#416704
Frege

Because that is exacly the same thing as being an atheist?!?!
I think I actually brained my damage by reading this.

2/26/2008 1:19:18 PM
#416713
agentCDE

Yeah, kids should be protected from any and all religious indoctrination until they're old enough to recognize it for the bullshit it is.

Whaddya mean "That's not what I meant!"?

2/26/2008 1:28:15 PM
#416714


Because, as long as he doesn't consumate the action and doesn't commit a crime, the same law that protects him to believe that nonsense, protects you too to believe your own stupidness(as your post has demonstrated). It's called first ammendment, and it's there to protect the interest of the people, to judge the action, not the belief(whatever it is). And of course, they're neither there to evaluate the degree of nonsense of the belief. Otherwise, Jehowah Witnesses would be out of the list long ago.

2/26/2008 1:30:07 PM
#416717
Titania

Leave it to a fundy to come up with the most ridiculous analogy.

2/26/2008 1:35:49 PM
#416720
NonProphet

Tim in Dallas fails at analogous statements.

2/26/2008 1:37:40 PM
#416729
David B.

And this is different from a child believing that he or she can drink deadly poison without harm (Matthew 16:18), how exactly?

2/26/2008 1:42:30 PM
#416769
Illuminatalie

Well, if that two year old is one of the evil nazi satanic babies, they probably deserve it, don't they?

2/26/2008 2:26:29 PM
#416789
David D.G.

"Do people who say "children should choose their own beliefs REALLY believe that? So, if a 2 year old wants to believe a boiling pot of water will feel good when they pour it on thier head, they should believe that and be allowed to act on that belief? That is what "allowing kids to choose their own beliefs" really boils down to (pun intended)."

Thank you for seeing the value of empirical testing and the need for evidence to support belief. Now that you have just opened up your own beliefs to empirical testing, good luck with that.


~David D.G.

2/26/2008 2:50:59 PM
#416794
BCD

I was looking for a good example for a strawman argument. Thanks Tim in Dallas.

2/26/2008 2:56:24 PM
#416798
freako104

Your analogy fails.

2/26/2008 3:00:04 PM
#416805
Septic Sceptic

What the fuck is this? I thought the FSTDT community was fairly tolerant. Now I turn up and see all this hurtful bigoted bullshit. As a recent convent to the First International Church of Boiling Water, I find this cynicism insulting in the extreme.

You people are lost, and need to accept Christ's scalding for the good of your immortal souls. When the rapture comes, only those running their burnt parts under the cold tap will be taken to Heaven. All others will be condemned to the devil's tepid Hell to shiver slightly for all eternity.

2/26/2008 3:22:11 PM
#416814
Blayze Kohime

Except that to choose Christian beliefs can have bad effects, like the recent middle school student who shot another child for admitting they were gay.

2/26/2008 3:39:18 PM
#416821
Caustic Gnostic

Did the sea level rise, or did Texas' collective IQ just drop?

2/26/2008 3:43:07 PM
#416830


There are other ways to teach a child that your stupid example is a bad idea.

And besides, "hot = bad" is a much easier concept to grasp than "the invisible lord and savior will watch you when you think you're alone and judge you when you're dead so you better be good or else."

2/26/2008 3:47:22 PM
#416833
David B.

Septic Sceptic for the
[size=60]WIN![/size]

2/26/2008 3:49:04 PM
#416850
antichrist

f a 2 year old wants to believe a boiling pot of water will feel good when they pour it on thier head, they should believe that and be allowed to act on that belief?
No, but neither should they take it on faith. Show the child it's hot, don't just tell him it's hot because "I said so".

That is what "allowing kids to choose their own beliefs" really boils down to (pun intended).
Oooohhh funny guy..... youse so smart!11!!!!

No letting a child choose their own beliefs is about not shoving your religion down their throats and telling them they're going to hell for just being kids. Let kids be kids! But fundies see stuff like "make believe" as evil and wicked. So they beat their children for it. But if the child lies and tells you that he sees angels and Jesus, then he gets hugs and cookies.

2/26/2008 4:08:37 PM
#416855
Amanda

The difference is that boiling water will hurt them. Beliefs will not.

2/26/2008 4:17:35 PM
#416858
Reverend Davidius

Not quite, they can think the boiling water is nice, but as responible parents, we warn them that it won't be pleasant. After that they can make an informed decision. But really, any cristian sect compares well to that boiling water.

2/26/2008 4:21:08 PM
#416865
cyborgtroy

Um, no.

The jug of milk answers prayers, not the water.

2/26/2008 4:28:02 PM
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