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I believe being a rape victim is a sin, even though it is not the victims fault.

Being raped is not the victims sin, but the sin of the rapist.

No longer being a virgin before marriage is a sin.

Mistaken, Christian Teen Forums 124 Comments [2/26/2008 9:00:10 PM]
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Osiris

But....but...it's not your fault! How can you possibly justify this?

2/26/2008 9:01:30 PM

Shibori

This statement is so horrific, I can't even muster a witty retort....

2/26/2008 9:01:45 PM

TerriblyAmused

...WTF.

2/26/2008 9:02:38 PM

Mike

PLEASE DIE.

2/26/2008 9:05:41 PM

Bob Dole

Holy contradiction batman!

2/26/2008 9:06:22 PM

BreeStar

I believe being full of shit is a sin.

Being full of shit is completely your fault.

No longer having the sense to forgive someone for something they didn't do is being full of shit.

2/26/2008 9:06:27 PM

anevilmeme

Help evolution, kill yourself fuckard.

2/26/2008 9:07:43 PM

D

Mistaken?

I'd certainly say so.

2/26/2008 9:09:25 PM

Øyvind

I believe being a rape victim is a sin, even though it is not the victims fault.

:is speechless:


2/26/2008 9:11:05 PM

Mayhem

So, when I beat your head in with a metal bat lined with iron nails, it's your fault for being a murder victim...

Prick.

2/26/2008 9:15:50 PM

Tenebrais

Clearly He is a forgiving god.

2/26/2008 9:17:49 PM

Danman

How can you even say that...may I suggest some very intensive psychiatry before you're allowed out of the nuthouse?

2/26/2008 9:20:00 PM

Knotilus

Read the whole thread this comes from; their moderator sickens me.

2/26/2008 9:21:45 PM

Detrs

I'm fucking speechless. It's appalling that some people actually think this way.

2/26/2008 9:22:20 PM

big baby jesus

you disgusting sod

2/26/2008 9:30:47 PM

Truthuser

You're screen-name is ironic. Because you're TOTALLY mistaken.

2/26/2008 9:32:27 PM

Baneling_Aspect

Step 1: Acquire handgun.
Step 2: Load handgun.
Step 3: Point handgun's barrel at head.
Step 4: Pull trigger.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Profit!

2/26/2008 9:32:40 PM

Septic Sceptic

Knotilus, I took your advice and read it all. Now I need to scrub my eyes with bleach. This little gem will probably turn up here later, but in case it doesn't:

JAG:
"I do not believe the woman being ravaged is the sinful part on her side. I believe her cowardice is."

and he backs it up with:

Revelation 21:8
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur."

This coming from a moderator on a Christian teen website. Still at least you ladies know where you stand- if you let yourself be raped, then you're a coward and you'll go to Hell for it.

2/26/2008 9:34:40 PM

Morninglight

Oh God, I want to puke reading the first two pages of that thread...

2/26/2008 9:35:44 PM

Kinderklein

More than one member posted:

"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him," Deuteronomy 22:25-26



still JAG refer to his own passages:

I believe it is a sin because thats how i interpret those verses. I believe its a sin because those verses come from the bible, which after all explains to us what sin is in the first place. You telling me its not a sin wont convince me otherwise unless you can offer scripture to sway my view (which is possible).


Brilliant.

2/26/2008 9:54:33 PM

GigaGuess

I believe being a rape victim is a sin, even though it is not the victims fault.
But sin is a conscious choice, is it not? If you can't decide to sin, it's not a sin.

Being raped is not the victims sin, but the sin of the rapist.
This is accurate, more or less...

No longer being a virgin before marriage is a sin.
Through no fault of her own. Your God would punish a woman for something she had no say over? Oh wait...I get it now...I'm referring to said walking uterus as a person...my bad. Sorry.

2/26/2008 9:59:24 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

I can sort of understand the logic for part of this - if you do something that is defined as sinful, even against your will, then you have technically sinned. (In the interest of brevity, we'll skip over the questionable assertion that sex before marriage is sinful - unlike rape, it's not obviously a crime or detrimental to individuals or society in any way) Where the whole business gets sickening and basically insane is the implicit assumption that you should still be condemned for technically sinning even if it's completely against your will.

The real problem with these pathetic simpletons' ideas is that the very concept of sin has never actually been defined, except by example, and thus it's impossible to determine whether the motive or intention behind a particular action disqualifies it from being "sinful".

It's sort of like the distinction between premeditated murder and accidental manslaughter. Both clearly go against the whole "thou shalt not kill" deal and thus, by breaking god's word, are "sin" (again, we'll gloss over the fact that "sin" is never actually explicitly stated in any text to just be anything that goes against god's word; everyone just assumes that it is) yet only the former is generally held to be reprehensible; the latter is usually not (and anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that even this second level of differentiation isn't enough for all situations - what about accidental manslaughter as a result of callous negligence, for example?).

Since the average religious nut insists on exclusively using such a primitive list of crude, baldly stated rules with no rational derivation or justification, they not only have no method to differentiate between willful and unwilling "sin" as we see here, they also ensure they have no capability of ever formulating more sophisticated interpretations - there aren't even any axioms to derive them from, other than the rather useless one of "my god says do this".

2/26/2008 10:00:11 PM

cheese_sdc

*blinks*

What??

2/26/2008 10:02:35 PM

aaa

Now, what makes you think so?

2/26/2008 10:02:43 PM

Nivose

urgh.. people just really don't understand that it is a rape if the woman/man doesn't consent or doesn't have the capacity to do so..
they don't have to resist to make it rape
they don't have to say no
they have to not have said or had the capacity to say yes.

that thread is horribly depressing and a reminder of why rape conviction is so atrociously low (5% here in the UK...)

edited to add this horrible little quote:

The FUZZ said:

"of course not, unless the victim was acting as a stumbling block to the rapist"



2/26/2008 10:04:29 PM
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