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If there is no God, then what do you attribute the death of hundreds of thousands of infants to? Mother nature? What kind of a nature is that, or what kind of a mother would allow hundreds of thousands of infants to die?

When Darwin's daughter died, Darwin could not accept any explaination for why it happened. He could not accept a God who would "allow" his daughter to die, and he could not accept a natural world where it was possible for things like this to happen.

Is life and death determined by the twist and turn of events? Was it by mere chance that hundreds of thousands of infants died, with no reason for it? Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

JohnR7, ChristianForums 68 Comments [2/28/2008 2:21:00 AM]
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Magni

Um... YES. Mere chance, wrong place wrong time, just a throw of the dice. Also, same argument back at you... What kind of a father would allow etc.

2/28/2008 2:25:01 AM

Observable Reality

"God works in mysterious ways" isn't much of an argument. Just imagine if murderers could use that as a defense. "Yes, your Honor, I did steal that vehicle, and I did kill the occupants. But it'll work out to be a good thing. Just trust me."

2/28/2008 2:26:36 AM

davros

what sort or evil god would allow hundreds of thousands of infants to die?

works both ways

2/28/2008 2:26:38 AM

Osiris

Mother Nature is a personification of the abstract concept of nature and not a literal figure.

2/28/2008 2:28:21 AM

szena

"Mother Nature" is not an individual.

And you think it's somehow better that God kills all those children than that random chance kills them?

2/28/2008 2:29:47 AM

Dracori

What kind of God would allow infants to die?

2/28/2008 2:30:10 AM

Blackvoice

Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Jackpot!

2/28/2008 2:33:50 AM

Illuminatalie

"What kind of a nature is that, or what kind of a mother would allow hundreds of thousands of infants to die? "
A bad one, I think you're trying to rhetorically say. I agree. And you say that God does this? What does that make God?

"Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time?"
What are you saying, there's no such thing as an innocent baby? What is it with you baby-hating fundies? At least the more-sane Rapturists - never thought I'd say that! - believe that children are innocent. (Of course, the minute those children grow up and start lusting, they've lost rights to an eternal paradise and deserve horrendous torture, I guess only the young die good.)

2/28/2008 2:36:07 AM

Random Guy

In that case, why don't YOU explain it.

2/28/2008 2:37:30 AM

Doctor Whom

"If there is no God, then what do you attribute the death of hundreds of thousands of infants to? Mother nature? What kind of a nature is that, or what kind of a mother would allow hundreds of thousands of infants to die?"

Most self-defeating argument ever.

2/28/2008 2:38:15 AM

MK

I am pretty sure we established a long time ago that John R7 is an extremely dedicated Poe.

2/28/2008 2:44:18 AM

1Burning Stake

I...

Is this an argument for or against atheism?

If there is a loving, omnicient God then wouldn't that be a reason for all of these babies to NOT die from natural means?


2/28/2008 2:51:35 AM



Ok, so, children die and Mother Nature has to be the maternal type but if a patriarchal chauvinist god decides so, it's ok?. Are you projecting too much of your own prejudices?. Children die because adults die and because animals die. It's a law of life and things are what they are, not what you want they to be or how they should be.

2/28/2008 2:56:14 AM

Mattural Selection

Which is worse? Thousands of infants dying for no reason other than they weren't strong enough to live, or thousands of infants being murdered by your homicidal blood god merely because he felt like killing them on a whim. Yeah, he sounds like such a great guy worth worshiping.

2/28/2008 2:57:32 AM

Truthuser

I think I've figured it out. Fundies want the world to be fair, problem is, it ain't.

2/28/2008 3:02:23 AM

antichrist

Mother Nature is sort of a hippie term. Nature would be much more accurate.

What kind of God would allow hundreds of thousands of infants die?

And if Darwin's daughter died, how is it she was at his bedside when he died? Was she Christ?

Is life and death determined by the twist and turn of events? Was it by mere chance that hundreds of thousands of infants died, with no reason for it? Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
So you would rather believe that your loving Father did it, than to believe that it was the twist and turns of events. Or were they evil sinners.

2/28/2008 3:08:14 AM

Seamus D

It's the only nature we have. What kind of fucking god would make a universe filled with suffering and death? All of your rationalizations fail.

2/28/2008 3:09:56 AM

NeedleSpell

"Is life and death determined by the twist and turn of events? Was it by mere chance that hundreds of thousands of infants died, with no reason for it? Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time?"

Yes. Better that than a God who says "Thou shalt not kill" mudered them for no other reason but it's his "mysterious way."

2/28/2008 3:15:44 AM

posty

@antichrist:

You do know it's possible to have more than one daughter, right? Darwin had several, in fact.

2/28/2008 3:21:41 AM

HeathenAngel

Ummmmmmmmmmm "What kind of a nature is that, or what kind of a mother would allow hundreds of thousands of infants to die? "

Irony meter explosion in 3.. 2.. 1..

2/28/2008 3:26:26 AM

Septic Sceptic

Fundie gets a brief glimpse of how atheists view the world... and he can't handle it. Yes John, that really is how the universe appears to us; no higher order, no dependance on a divine bending of the rules, just struggling by with what we've got.

There there, I know it's scary. You toddle off to bed and read your Bible, i'll bring you some tea to calm your nerves.

2/28/2008 3:29:41 AM

approximate

If there was a god, slaying the weak and defenseless would make it an asshole of galactic proportions, worthy of the utmost contempt, rather than an object of worship.


2/28/2008 3:29:53 AM

Horsefeathers

"If there is no God, then what do you attribute the death of hundreds of thousands of infants to? Mother nature? What kind of a nature is that, or what kind of a mother would allow hundreds of thousands of infants to die?"

I'm not quite sure that you've thought this line of reasoning through as completely as you should have.

2/28/2008 3:50:57 AM

fromdownunder

MK wrote

"I am pretty sure we established a long time ago that John R7 is an extremely dedicated Poe."

A long time ago is correct. This quote is nearly 4 years old.

Norm

2/28/2008 4:13:56 AM

Don'tLookBehindYou

OK, Poe?

2/28/2008 4:24:18 AM
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