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I cant stand it when athiests say, "if there was a god, why doesnt he do this, or why does he allow that." There is a bigger picture. we have chosen to have certain ailments, handicaps, mental illness, etc. to learn about prejudice, tolerance, racism, etc. if there was no evil, or hard times on earth, then why would we have to come here in the first place. god didnt do anything to us, we chose it for ourselves, because we wanted to learn certain things in this life. people that choose to have bad lives, are actually the brave ones who wanted to learn as much as possible.

nargal2, Yahoo! Answers 75 Comments [2/28/2008 7:48:26 PM]
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Blackvoice

What? Are you saying we are some kind of masochists at soul? Are we in a training camp? What for?

2/28/2008 7:55:42 PM

nfp

Clueless Bullshit Philosophy Award winner, 2008!

If the Holy Spirit said it to me in my head in my own voice and it comes out of my mouth, it must be true!

2/28/2008 8:00:16 PM

big baby jesus

yeah i'm sure girls chose to be brutally raped and given diseases by their fathers. you and your fictonal god disgust me

2/28/2008 8:00:56 PM

antichrist

New age bullshit

Your not a True Christian(TM)

So your telling me that a woman chose to be abused by her mother, raped by her father, turn to drugs at 13, run away at 15, Be on the streets as a drugged out whore until she was slaughtered like a pig by some sick fuck outside of Vancouver?

Look up Willie Picton, and tell me those women chose that.

2/28/2008 8:06:21 PM

BreeStar

This actually doesn't sound all that fundie to me. It actually sounds kind of like the teachings of Eck. Of course, if I had some idea of what nargal2's beliefs actually included, it might put it into context.

2/28/2008 8:07:37 PM

Doctor Whom

Congratulations, nargal2: Your fundamentalism of New-Age woo-woo makes even Christian fundamentalism look good by comparison.

2/28/2008 8:10:10 PM

Caustic Gnostic

nargal2 has chosen to be a fuckin' idiot.

2/28/2008 8:18:06 PM

Renacier

Your argument boils down to :"Kick cripples, they're asking for it." Bravo, sir, bravo.

2/28/2008 8:19:50 PM

Old Viking

Damned if I remember making that choice.

2/28/2008 8:26:29 PM

SweetViolet

You haven't had any real tragedies or traumas in your life yet, have you?

Wait until your infant child nearly dies of a virus and when he survives, it is with brain damage. Wait until your child is kidnapped from her bedroom at night and is brutally raped and then discarded like an old rag. Wait until your aged mother is raped and murdered in her home by a burglar. Wait until you struggle with infertility and when your hopes are raised by a pregnancy, see them dashed by repeated miscarriages.

Sadly, you are one of those smug, self-satisfied pricks who must experience gut-wrenching tragedy in their own lives before they can develop any empathy for those who ask why an omnipotent god would allow a helpless infant be born with painful, devastating defect, allow a toddler to be raped and left to die, permit a child to writhe in the agonies of terminal cancer.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

2/28/2008 8:32:19 PM

Raven Blackhawk

Yeah... I CHOSE to inherit asthma from my dad, who CHOSE to inherit it from his dad.

Fuck you.

2/28/2008 8:32:31 PM

aqualung

You sir are an idiot. What is it with you morons thinking everything is a choice?! Diseases are a choice. Being gay is a choice. Yeah, I'm sure cancer patients CHOSE to get cancer. Every single one of em. I didn't choose to get diabetes or have acne. And I learned a lot more about diabetes than I ever wanted or needed to from my dad before I ever got it. You fail; fuck off and die.

2/28/2008 8:39:02 PM

cyborgtroy

I Pushed Her Off The Bridge For The Greater Good Of Humanity And To Follow God's Will, Your Honor award.

2/28/2008 8:43:39 PM

ProudSecularist

Why would we have to learn about the evils of the world if they didn't exist without us deciding to experience them?

I think in such a world I'd be content staying in heaven and experiencing eternal bliss.

2/28/2008 8:47:19 PM

Mayhem

Dumbfuckery for Jesus.

2/28/2008 8:48:16 PM

Deep Search

Aren't christians supposed to think all the horrible stuff that happens is god 'testing people' or 'trying to get our attention' or 'working in mysterious ways' or whatever? At least this is something different... Totally crazy and disrespectful, but still...

2/28/2008 8:48:26 PM

David D.G.

Sounds like a Secretard. This is the ultimate "blame the victim" mentality here. Personally, I wouldn't even choose that nargal2 be a member of my own species.


~David D.G.

2/28/2008 8:49:59 PM

approximate

Strangely enough, I've met a few believers in reincarnation (they're New Agers) who sound like this...idiotic.

2/28/2008 9:02:24 PM

tmr

Yes, my 21 year old cousin chose to die of a rare form of brain cancer because she wanted to learn about being awake during brain surgery, chemo that destroyed her; she wanted to learn how far her parent's emotional pain could go, not to mention her own. She wanted to learn about the insurance industry first hand and what they will and will not cover. She wanted to see which christian would come forward to offer help and support to her and her family.

Amazingly (or not), it was our atheist uncle who paid for experimental treatments that kept her alive to see her nephews grow for 7 years.

But, you know, she chose all that. I'm glad to know that now. That makes those seven years of hell so much more worthwhile.

2/28/2008 9:05:39 PM

Osiris

The problem is God has the ability to prevent suffering but he doesn't and in fact he sometimes tends to go out of his way to bring more suffering into the world, and you still champion him as a god of undying love.

2/28/2008 9:07:04 PM

David D.G.

Why is the voting so darned low on this one? (The fundometer is reading 3.18 as of 11 votes.) This is New Age fundiness rather than standard Christian fundiness, but it's still excruciatingly fundie, especially considering the outrageous nature of the assertion being made here.


~David D.G.

2/28/2008 9:12:48 PM

John

a) there is no logical correlation between bad stuff and people's actions. A child-molester has a great life while some devout, God-fearing born-again Christian gets brain cancer.

b) What about earthquakes and floods? Why would a remotely intelligent God expect anyone to learn something from that?

2/28/2008 9:40:25 PM



the only part of this that sounds fundie to me is the "we have chosen to have certain ailments..." bit. the rest (taken in isolation, without that bit) actually makes some sense, if you read it with the intend to understand rather than just repeating the argument he objected to.

2/28/2008 9:47:42 PM

David D.G.

#448045: Actually, a more subtle fundilicious bit is, "if there was no evil, or hard times on earth, then why would we have to come here in the first place." First, he clearly does not consider the possibility that we live (i.e., "come here") just because we are simply life forms being born in a totally natural (as opposed to supernatural) world.

But in addition to that, he also describes this as if evil and suffering were somehow an attraction, as if ethereal people looking to be born gaze down upon Earth and say, "Wow, spina bifida that leaves one a lifelong paraplegic with a lousy immune system, other major painful system disorders, and a lifespan half of normal at best -- I could get into that."

Yet he writes of this as if it were as matter-of-fact as a viewpoint on where one should consider going on vacation. Absolutely stunningly stupid.


~David D.G.

2/28/2008 10:07:51 PM

Cabraxas

THIS LIFE????

Is he implying we have other lives ? A Fundie re-incarnationist? A Fundie Buddhist?

2/28/2008 10:17:00 PM
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