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[Refering to colonization of the Americas]

Yes, it was definitely good for the natives. Look at how they lived before Europeans came to America. They lived in tepees and were practically naked all the time. Wouldn't you want help if you were in that situation? Thanks to our colonial ancestors, native people now have a much higher quality of life due to casinos, yet are still able to maintain some of their old ways on their reservations. It is the duty of civilized peoples to raise their inferiors up from savagery. Rudyard Kipling's "The White Man's Burden" comes to mind:

Conservateur, Conservapedia 22 Comments [2/28/2008 2:19:01 PM]
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By killing them?

2/28/2008 3:14:05 PM



I prefer to be naked and in tents, than dead and treated like a second class citizen. And it's even worse if we consider that it's a total lie.

2/28/2008 4:14:17 PM

JonnyTruant

Well, if that's not spin doctoring, then I don't know what is.

You Christians should really review what happened. You essentially kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden of eden. You say they were sinful in going about naked or nearly so, yet they saw no sin in that. They lived off what the gods granted them from the land. Europeans came along, forcefed them the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil with a side of smallpox then proceeded to kick them into reservations in land no Europeans wanted. Yeah, that's such a favor the Americans did them.

2/28/2008 4:19:40 PM

Chancellor Gorkon


2/28/2008 5:08:34 PM

jsonitsac

So you call 30% unemployment rate and extremely rampant alcoholism an upgrade? Granted, the romanticized ideal of the Native Americans, that their world was trouble free until the Europeans showed up is wrong, but come on, they have suffered.

2/28/2008 6:14:36 PM

antichrist

Yeah, being an alcoholic on a reserve with no workable land, no grazing land, with no job prospects.

That's so much better.

And if aliens landed tomorrow and did the same thing to you, how would you feel about it? I mean it's their "duty to raise their inferiors up from savagery."

Pull your head out of your ass

2/28/2008 8:30:42 PM



Inferiors? Did you happen to know that women happened to be treated very highly in certain tribes, much more than women in Europe more? Not to mention they utilized the environment more effectively and certain tribes (the Iroquois come to mind) had a very close model to democracy.

/It is the duty of civilized peoples to raise their inferiors up from savagery./

Fine. Starting tomorrow, I shall gather all the weapons that I have. I will march to your house and force you to evacuate at gunpoint. I shall claim your house and property for myself, because it is obviously God's gift to me and because you don't deserve it. I shall sell your daughters to my friends, give smallpox-infested blankets to your wife, and send your sons packing to a school where they are taught that they should be ashamed of their nationality and culture. Plus, they'll learn that no matter what they do, no matter how much they'll try to fit in, they'll never be as good as me because their skin color is different from mine. I'll spread the word that you are a heathen savage and that no one should do business with you. I'll petition the government to banish you to the most remote areas of the country and feel free to mock you and feel utterly justified in my belief.

Not fair, you say? Well, it's your fault for being an uneducated, uncivilized savage. I'm just taking care of you. You should be thanking me, for, despite the fact that you are an adult, you are actually a child in need of guidance. MY guidance, because my God, my skin, my nationality, and my oh-so-blessed civilization all say that you're wrong and I'm right, no matter what I do.

Racist pig.

2/28/2008 10:39:11 PM

Ozymandias

Well, sure...if you think "rather peaceful societies that may have been more morally advanced than most European society at the time" to "Ignored citizens who through trickery and murder were forced onto tiny reservations far away from their actual land who live in a cycle of poverty, gambling, and acoholism" is an upgrade. Or, in South America's case, from "giant, efficiently run empires with high achievements in architecture and other fields" to "second-class citizens forced to live in poverty".

Also, as someone whom is part Blackfoot...I feel I am qualified to say DIAF, BITCH.

2/28/2008 11:37:59 PM

Little Miss

Little though you know it, dear, but Kipling was being SARCASTIC when he wrote that poem.

2/29/2008 12:22:43 AM

RFP15

This Indian says to go fuck yourself with a rusty knife.

2/29/2008 12:55:24 AM

TwistedVixen

nothing wrong with being half naked, damn i am a nudist but due to laws i wear clothes..but i would run about naked because it feels less restricting..

2/29/2008 3:38:33 PM

Fanatic-Templar

Then I see it as my duty to raise you up from savagery. With a chainsaw.

2/29/2008 5:12:21 PM

Saccharissa

"Rudyard Kipling's "The White Man's Burden" comes to mind..."

We've taken up the white man's burden
Of ebony and brown;
Now will you kindly tell us, Rudyard,
How we may put it down?

3/1/2008 12:18:16 AM

FMG

You are a better man than I am gunga din... Like Kipling says.



The Indians of India were also regarded as "backwards, naked people". Actually its called common sense when you live in a hot country to not wear much clothes. Those english women would faint regularly under India's wilting sunshine because of the sheer amount of clothes they wore.

However to call them "Inferior" is a joke. Remember, they taught us about "balanced diets" and indeed lead a remarkably healthy lifestyle compared to the "Europeans".

As for reservations... They were terrible pieces of land given to them because they provided a source of cheap labour and they needed a place to be stored while not being labourers while relying on europeans.

As for the White Man's Burden. Its a "satirical" poem. Rudyard Kipling was not a fan of imperialism.

3/1/2008 4:23:26 PM

Leo

Why did they have to come up with "conservapedia"?

3/1/2008 4:29:16 PM

SapphireWolf

and kill them all with smallpox?

3/3/2008 12:32:59 AM

tmr

Someone was home schooled and got a religious education with no basis in reality.

3/4/2008 11:32:30 PM

Dr. Funkenstein

Arrogant fuck.

4/23/2008 8:47:59 AM

ericm6

They lived in tepees and were naked all the time. They were much better off killed.

5/31/2009 9:19:36 PM



As an archaeologist who's done extensive research into the Native Americans and the myth of the Noble Savage, etc, I can say with authority that you could not be more wrong if you had centuries to compose yourself.

114 million or more natives died between 1492 and 1600 alone, with millions more oppressed as slaves and marginalized as second-class citizens.

The natives on the reservations were promised by the government a century ago that they would get the deeds to their lands within 25 years. Most of those lands have now been sold, and the deeds "misplaced".

The FEW tribes with casinos can sometimes do OK, if there are few enough of them for the revenue split to be over a few hundred a month. The rest live in far worse conditions than they have ever had in their entire pre-columbian history.

The tribes with warrior societies have had to completely abandon their rites of passage that have been their traditions for millenia.

Many native languages are now extinct, even though many of those who would speak them still live. The languages were eradicated in Christian schools, where the priests/nuns/whatever punished them for speaking a language hundreds of years older than English.

Their traditional religion have been usurped by white Europeans who learned about them from Hollywood, and those Euro-Americans now run counterfeit religious cults based off half-understood ethnographies, causing mass disgust among true natives.

Their other traditions have become nothing more than a tourist attraction in most tribes, and any time they do something the white man considers "odd", they get mobbed by tourists wanting to see "Indian stuff".

I could go on for hours about the atrocities visited on cultures centuries older than many European nations. Suffice to say, go impale yourself up the ass with a rusty, AIDS-infected, burning, acid-coated, razor-sharp longsword. Right up to the hilt.

12/8/2009 5:52:54 PM

Agahnim

No, it wasn't good for the natives, and they didn't want help because they didn't think they needed it.

10/21/2011 12:33:14 PM

Alex

@419665
You're just rehashing a bunch of old "noble savage" myths that are better than the "savage injun" myths.
The Iroquois thing vaguely resembled democracy and women didn't really have much of a say in that system.
The enviornmental thing isn't true either. The Great Plains may have been created by Native Americans themselves. They could have been made by burning down forests to create grazing areas for game.
Please do your research before spounting off myths of "noble savages" that only existed in the minds of whites.

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