"The Creation account states that plants were created before the SUN, it's true, but not before LIGHT. The light (from a source other than the sun -- is what gave the days their 24-hour length (evening and morning, you catch?) each day of Creation Week.
It was on Day 4 that God created the Sun to be the light-bearer.
So plants could have lived before the Sun. And they did."
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oh yeah, [Proof Needed}
The goat-herders who wrote Genesis didn't connect the light with the sun. They saw the sky get light, then a little later the sun came up, then it went down again, then it got dark. In fact, modern man didn't even know the complete explanation of why the sun makes the sky light until about the 20th century.
Well, this HAS to be right, because as we know, saying the bible is wrong completely contradicts the bible.
"Either a troll or someone with some serious mental defects..."
It's my understanding that in order to be a troll, you require some serious mental defects.
Evening and morning is a whole day, huh? In that specific order, right? Funny, since the Hebrews adopted that custom from their Babylonian captors.
So this source of light did the same job as the sun, provided the same amount of light as the sun, and allowed plants to photosynthesize just like the sun, but wasn't the sun, so God had to replace it with a totally different, but identical, ball of burning gas?
Makes perfect sense.
So is her avatar her in a Star Trek uniform? If it is, she's got that glazed fundie look in her eye. And is into that SATANIC SCI-FI!
A plant can live a couple of days without light. I was trying to get my Christmas cactus to bloom and forgot it in the closet for a few days, it was fine, so I don't see why this is such a big argument. Or why they don't use that argument when they try to debate (I guess their pastors don't do indoor gardening?).
Ahh well.
Oh sure...the plants were all in greenhouses, grown using hydroponics.
The electricity bills to power all those light bulbs got too high, so that's why the sun was created.
Fuckstick.
Somebody hasn't even read their own Bible.
"In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.(1) Then God said, "Let there be light;" and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day."
"The Creation account states that plants were created before the SUN, it's true, but not before LIGHT."
And the fact that you don't see this as further proof that the account is just a fable demonstrates your own intellectual dishonesty (or willful stupidity -- take your pick).
~David D.G.
No, absolutely, things could've lived before they even had a source of energy to even start living.
Since your god is so cool, why don't you go closer to the sun, I mean, what's the worst that can happen ? You'll be completely safe if you travel at night !
{ Sick_Of_Fundy_Shit
It's like a tourist trying to find their way around Tokyo by using a map of Philadelphia, }
Lol - or like using a map of 2000 B.C. Jerusalem, drawn by someone who'd never been there...
@Zolem
Starlight is in fact used by some plants that cannot stand the harshness of the sun.
Cite please.
The only paper I could find on this (Raven and Cockell,2006) says
An increase in starlight even to reach the minimum theoretical levels to allow for photosynthesis would require a universe that was approximately ten million times older, or with a ten million times greater density of stars, than is the case for the present universe.
@ Illuminatalie
Apologies, I was just in to time fix it :-)
Incidentally, mushrooms are neither animal nor vegetable, they're fungi. There's a difference ;-)
Dohh, Nowonmai beat me to it
Hey, hey, what week is Creation Week?
Do you guys dress up and wear funny hats?
However the sun was not created on the 4th day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lightsthe greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morningthe fourth day.
I don't know how else to interpret that other than that the sun, moon and stars were created on the fourth day.
"The light (from a source other than the sun -- is what gave the days their 24-hour length (evening and morning, you catch?) "
And here I was in the delusion that the rotation of the earth around its axis meant that any piont on the face of the earth (excepting the polar regions) gets to face the sun for approx half of the 24 hrs it takes for the earth to rotate.
Silly me.
Raven Blackhawk wrote:
"Evening and morning is a whole day, huh? In that specific order, right? Funny, since the Hebrews adopted that custom from their Babylonian captors."
Really? The tradition of starting each new day at Sunset wasn't something the ancient Israelites practiced before the Babylonian Captivity?
When did the pre-Bablyonian Israelites have each day begin, then?
Wow- one of my favourite pieces of trivia, that days are NOT each 24 hours long, is just shot down by this bible scholar, (I catch).
Sure, most of us trivia nerds know thatthe Earth rotates in 23 hours 56 minutes, and the other four minutes is accounted for by the fact Earth has moved on in its orbit, and it must rotate a further four minutes to bring the sun back directly overhead- but the trick is that that four minutes is just an average.
Where the orbit is at the ends of the elipse, each day is longer than 24 hours, for a total of about 15 minutes beyond what your would expect. (Total for the three months, not total each day!)
Likewise, in the 'flat' parts of the orbital elipse, each day is less than 24 hours. It all averages out. But that story is so much more intriguing, surprising and yet ultimately believable than the two self-contradictory creation accounts in Genesis, even without their 'sunless lights'.
Aaaand... you were there ?
Otherwise, I could enter the cupboard I keep my clothes in, and emerge out the other side into another world, where I'd meet a talking lion, because a book - "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" says so, amirite?!
Moral: The phrase 'Don't believe everything you read'. It exists for a reason .
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