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"Kindly give at least one example, drawing from your huge pool of Jewish and/or non-Jewish witnesses, of the alleged Nazi campaign of genocide.

I am actually a connoisseur of Holocaust stories. They run regularly in the Minneapolis Star Tribune here, and I always read them very closely. Usually they follow the same format, over and over. The "Holocaust survivor" recounts his experiences during the war. What he is quoted as saying is all consistent with what we know happened in WW2. For example, he may describe being sent to Auschwitz and being forced to work on building a road. He may say that his parents were sent to another camp and that he never heard from them again. He may describe hiding in the woods from the Nazis.

All these experiences could be, and very well may be true. The problem is that nowhere in these accounts is there any evidence, or even the assertion made, that the Nazis were engaged in any kind of genocide. We have all been so conditioned by decades of mind conditioning in films, TV shows, literary fiction, school curriculum, and so on, that these experiences occurred within the context of people being exterminated in gas chambers that we subconsciously assume that is the subtext of the stories. It is the editor of the publication that chimes in about the supposed exterminations, filling in the blanks between quotes from the subject.

Meanwhile, the "Holocaust survivor" never bothers to fill us in on awkward facts surrounding his experiences-- such as that his parents were sent to camps not because they were Jews, but because they were accused of swindling (like Anne Frank's father), or that he was chased in the woods by the Germans because he was engaged in partisan guerrilla activities against the Germans on behalf of the Communists, etc.

So, I suggest you try it next time you run across a "survivor" tale in your local newspaper-- which will probably be some time in the next week or so. Examine the words quoted of the survivor in question. Does he ever actually present any testimonial that he witnessed genocide of any kind? Chances are he doesn't, because he didn't. And neither did anyone else."

A-Train, JREF Forum 13 Comments [3/9/2008 7:23:45 PM]
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So, now aren't witnesses EVIDENCE of a fact?, are they all lying except when they tell you what you want to hear?, were the American soldiers who liberated them making FAKE REPORTS?. Moreover, why were the real guerrilla fighter and criminals NOT SENT to concentration camps?, were they selective even then?. Was Anna Frank swiddling to and make up her diary knowing that sometime in the future the allies would won the war(wtf?)?. And finally, why would they all lie and fabricate such a nonsense?, for pleasure?. And how did this guy got that information about guerrillas and swiddlers, if all the information is carefully concealed by the zionists?

3/9/2008 8:45:24 PM

anatiedaephobic

He never saw his parents again because... he went blind?

Or in some survivors cases - their whole famillies, including small children. But I'm sure those small children were soviet spies who deserved what happened. That's the logical conclusion.

3/9/2008 10:09:46 PM

Old Viking

The same phenomenon occurred among Native Americans and Christian Armenians.

3/9/2008 11:43:55 PM

antichrist

Peter: People make up lies all the time. You know Vietnam? Never happened.
Brian: Yeah, but don't mention it around the Veteran's Hospital. Those guys are really committed to the lie.

3/10/2008 12:27:31 AM

C in TX

And all the paper pushers in Nazi Germany spent the whole 10 years generating fake paperwork proving that millions were exterminated. Just so they could make their citizens look like monsters. And just to make sure that the stigma of the holocaust would always taint anyone's opinion of them and their country.

Clever of them.

3/10/2008 6:06:06 AM

FMG

I find it sad... Next people will be denying the Rape of Nanking and other atrocities committed.


"Kindly give at least one example, drawing from your huge pool of Jewish and/or non-Jewish witnesses, of the alleged Nazi campaign of genocide.


Survivors pulled out from the camps. Russian, British, French, Colonial and American accounts of the genocide. Warsaw Ghetto and the inhabitants of Poland as well...


I am actually a connoisseur of Holocaust stories. They run regularly in the Minneapolis Star Tribune here, and I always read them very closely. Usually they follow the same format, over and over. The "Holocaust survivor" recounts his experiences during the war. What he is quoted as saying is all consistent with what we know happened in WW2. For example, he may describe being sent to Auschwitz and being forced to work on building a road. He may say that his parents were sent to another camp and that he never heard from them again. He may describe hiding in the woods from the Nazis.


Surprise surprise the extermination camps were quite similar. They were designed to work people to death or kill them. I suggest you take a trip to "such camps" to see the madness yourself.


All these experiences could be, and very well may be true. The problem is that nowhere in these accounts is there any evidence, or even the assertion made, that the Nazis were engaged in any kind of genocide. We have all been so conditioned by decades of mind conditioning in films, TV shows, literary fiction, school curriculum, and so on, that these experiences occurred within the context of people being exterminated in gas chambers that we subconsciously assume that is the subtext of the stories. It is the editor of the publication that chimes in about the supposed exterminations, filling in the blanks between quotes from the subject.


The gas chambers in aushchwitz are still standing. The camps are still standing. The people who were in them still are alive. Its not just "jews" who were in there. 50% of casualties were to dissidents, intellectuals and other "minorities" such as gypsies.

We have the "supposed extermination bodies" from the camps. And we have the piles of teeth... And Nazi records of some things such as experimentation and so on.


Meanwhile, the "Holocaust survivor" never bothers to fill us in on awkward facts surrounding his experiences-- such as that his parents were sent to camps not because they were Jews, but because they were accused of swindling (like Anne Frank's father), or that he was chased in the woods by the Germans because he was engaged in partisan guerrilla activities against the Germans on behalf of the Communists, etc.


While holed up in a hiding place... Anne Frank's dad... Ran a smuggling operation... WITH HIS AWESOME JEW ASTRAL PROJECTION POWERS!!! I suggest you read about Jan Wiener a man whose life I was lucky to hear about.



So, I suggest you try it next time you run across a "survivor" tale in your local newspaper-- which will probably be some time in the next week or so. Examine the words quoted of the survivor in question. Does he ever actually present any testimonial that he witnessed genocide of any kind? Chances are he doesn't, because he didn't. And neither did anyone else."


Quite a few do.
Particularly the older ones who were involved in the disposal of the bodies in things such as burial detail.
I suggest you see the pictures here if you need "proof".
[html]http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/Birkenau04.html[/html]


3/10/2008 11:32:39 AM

Jud

Some common criminals were sent to the camps, yes, but even the Nazis sorted their victims out. Stars of David on Jews, red triangles for Communists, brown triangles for Roma, green for regular criminals, pink for gay men and black for "anti-socials" (a kind of "misc" category).

The Franks, my dear, were there because they were Jewish. Make no mistake, that's why she never got the opportunity to grow up, and kick your ass for lying about this genocide.

3/10/2008 12:46:37 PM

Blayze Kohime

Um, I know someone that was in a Nazi death camp and witnessed genocide, but that isn't why I think it happened. I think it happened because so many of the guards went into detail about what they did at the war crime trials following WWII. Some of them were actually very forthcoming without any pressure at all, and it'd be hard to convince me that they let themselves be executed or imprisoned forever to propagate a lie for a race they hated.

3/10/2008 2:16:05 PM

jsonitsac

@FMG

Many High School level Japanese history textbooks describe World War II this way: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked. I'm exaderating a bit, but it is a major bone of contention between both Koreas and China, and Japan about the things the Japanese did during the war (like starting it)

3/10/2008 10:45:48 PM

Exasperated

Ill try to cut him some slack, but his thinking is off... really only Germans could have witnessed it, anyone who saw someone being "genocided" (to quote a priceless snippet around here)was almost guaranteed to die very quickly later, like being shot next in line, or surviving the gas a little longer... he tries earnestly, but his 'logic' collapses on itself.

3/11/2008 12:02:51 AM

tmr

So, what is it like to live in a world of your own making?

The countries of the world cannot cooperate enough to make the UN effective, how the hell did they cooperate enough to fool the world into thinking an imaginary holocaust was real? How the hell did every nation in the world come to an agreement to dupe every one of its citizens?

And, the next question is, why would they bother?

3/12/2008 7:27:59 PM

Grand Archblasphemer of York

Why would Holocaust SURVIVORS have not seen what happens in the gas chambers? Think long and hard about that one...I think it is not hard to connect the dots. Not all eyewitnesses had the privilege of being aware of the massacres methodically being carried about around them.

3/14/2008 8:34:32 PM

Ian W

Here's the one thing I always wonder about people who deny the holocaust, saying it was a big fraud.

WHY?

Why would they go to all the trouble of making something that bad up?

6/6/2009 5:46:55 PM
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