i actually dont know where but i do know there is more actual evidence of Jesus than Julius Cesear or any other perosn of antiquity
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That is fantastic...now, if we discount the Bible as "evidence", how much is left, especially considering that the title "Christ" was not necessarily synonymous with Jesus at the time? And, even if he did exist, does that really mean anything in regards to proving your dogma to be true?
I'm pretty sure that the FSM left a bunch of pasta all over the empire state building the last time He came for a visit, and there is lots of photographic evidence, but I'm just not sure where it is. Maybe it's a conspiracy by the ebilatheistmuslimcommunistliberalmedia?
No, this is NOT fundie, just a general Christian comment. Even a moderate/liberal would prolly say this. <___<
Also, on the guy who said citation needed, I'm assuming this person would use Lee Strobel's The Case For Christ as a citation. I think I recall the exact same thing being said somewhere in the book.
There's none, nil, nadda, zip. Some forgeries from the second century though.
A nice little group who have spent time researching this are here.
http://jesusneverexisted.com/
Just be ready to spend a couple of days there, it's a long read.
I'll admit there was a guy named Jesus wandering around. Hell there was probably one that was teaching in the temple. But as for the son of god, miracles, resurrection, nope.
<< No, this is NOT fundie, just a general Christian comment. Even a moderate/liberal would prolly say this. >>
Lewisfisher: Only if the "moderate/liberal Christian" were a brainwashed idiot -- which makes him a fundie. It really is a monumentally absurd claim, not only baseless and unsupportable but quite effortlessly disproved.
~David D.G.
Wrong, wrong, and again wrong. Kerhisting hell, you all keep painting/drawing Jesus as some pasty faced Light haired, light eye European, which shows me you're all just GUESSING.
Is there some kind of pamphlet that is passed out to all fundies? This is one of the standard talking points that you hear all the time. The specific historical person changes, but the claim is the same.
Whoever produced that pamphlet is either monumentally stupid or a blatant liar.
Yeah, you believe the Bible was an eyewitness, don't you, bub?
Odds are there was a guy walking around at the time named Yeshua, but other than that, you can't prove a damn thing.
When making a claim, always show support. And since you're on a nonreligious forum, which wouldn't be your home territory, show a warrant too.
" I'm assuming this person would use Lee Strobel's The Case For Christ as a citation. I think I recall the exact same thing being said somewhere in the book"
That's pretty stupid of the author, if true.
Yes, that evidence is locked up in a vault that only special people can see. And you and the person who said the same of Shakespeare can look for it together.
LordJiro - of course he doesn't know where it is but knows it exists. The same sort of thought (or lack thereof) goes into his belief in his god. It seems they're more likely to believe something with no proof whatsoever than something sitting right in front of them.
Granted, Jesus has more evidence for his existence than the average dude on the street 2,000 years ago, but compared to other people who were famous at the time? NOT EVEN CLOSE. But, really, outside the Internet (if certain sites last 2,000 years), I don't expect much evidence for my own existence that far into the future.
Who do you think said Vini Vidi Vici, and it wasn’t Jebuz who crossed the Rubicon.
Didn’t Jebuz himself say “render unto Caesar
” , The motto for Home Schooling should be, PURGAMENTUM INIT, EXIT PURGAMENTUM, garbage in garbage out.
Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris. Asinuses quod volunt Credunt.
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Vah! Denuone latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
Any other person of antiquity, huh?
Well, I don't know, BUILDING A MASSIVE TOMB AND FILLING IT WITH ALL HIS STUFF seems like pretty good proof King Tut existed, if you ask me.
@Frank
It wasn't the author who said it, but one of the scholars that he was interviewing. I can't remember who exactly, but I think it was Edwin Yamauchi who said it. Dang it, does somebody have a copy of this book?
"i actually dont know where but i do know there is more actual evidence of Jesus than Julius Cesear or any other perosn of antiquity"
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List! What is yon sound in the distance? Why, it's the sound of all the Professors of History in the world laughing their tits off at you!
I know of no legitimate historian who disputes the existence of Julius Caesar. Likewise, I know of no legitimate historian who denies that there was an apocalyptic preacher in ancient Judea who acquired followers, stirred up some trouble and was killed by the people in power. That preacher's name was probably something very much like "Jesus."
Now, before you start patting yourself on the back, consider this: all I am acknowledging is that a man named Jesus existed.
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus was "the son of God"
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus was born of a virgin
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus performed miracles
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus was crucified
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus died for the sins of the world
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus rose from the dead
- That DOES NOT mean that this Jesus appeared to a man named Paul
- That DOES NOT resolve the blatant and irreconcilable contradictions between the gospels
In short, the likely existence of a man named Jesus really does not help the case for the Christian faith. Christianity is still a product of faith, not science and not historical fact. The question is, is faith good enough for you or not?
I'm sure I've got a million dollars, either owed to me, or lying around here, someplace already, but damned if I know where it is.
If any of you see it . . . it's mine, let me know. I wouldn't want anyone to trip over it in the dark.
Prolly get hurt and sue me. For the mil.
All those statues, busts etc of Gaius Julius Caesar. From his time.
Ramses II. All his temples/statues/stelae. Writings about him (thus Egyptologists/historians know so much about him). And an actual DNA-analysable body does his existence no harm, neither. All of which confirms what said Egyptologists say about him, that he was the greatest Pharaoh.
Proof. Evidence. Facts . That's how we roll here on Planet Reality.
Your 'Jesus', not so much. Indeed, historians, academics, scholars & even theologians suggest that the 'Jesus' of your 'Bible' was nothing more than a conglomeration of similar legends from the past .
When you've passed English 101 at grade school, let us know when you've argued these Professors of History/Theology who have studied the subject(s) for decades ; even the myriad writings in not only Latin & Greek, but Aramaic into the dirt, little boy.
But we won't be holding our breaths.
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