[ In response to: "For the last time please post an example of an out of context quote from the Bible and also post the surrounding words from the Bible that change the meaning. (Include verse numbers and directly quote the Bible like I do.)" ]
Alrighty.
This is taken from your article "Ritual Human Sacrifice"...Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God.
Abraham was commanded to and thus he was justified by Faith in God; Romans 4. Nothing "evil" about it.
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This person doesn't follow instructions very well. They didn't quote the verses, and they didn't use contiguous text. They don't even get an E for Effort.
This type of faith is why people murder their children so they 'will go to Heaven'. The problem with believing everything the voices tell you is that the voices are usually just in your head, and even from a Christian perspective what if the voices are from Satan?
The story of the moral test faced by Abraham is not unique to the bible; it appears over and over again in human culture. What is pretty much unique, however, is that the bible gives the wrong answer.
In every other version of the story I have ever encountered, you fail if you disregard your own sense of morality when the test requires it. It's not even enough to do the required action and feel bad about it; the only way to pass is to refuse to even attempt the test.
Perhaps the author of this particular biblical chapter heard the tale from some pre-existing culture or religion and was too stupid or barbaric to accept it, so he wrote his own version where someone with his mindset could win.
Off topic, but here's a short biblical re-cap:
God speak with Abraham directly, almost on a casual basis,
When the knife is about to fall, God say nothing to stop him.
Nothing evil at all... if you completely lack a moral compass.
So, someone I can't see, can't talk to and have no references for tells me to kill my son. I comply. And that is a good thing?
When teenage girls are stupid enough to fly to South America to "pick up a package" for people they have never met, from people they have never met, believing they'll get a free vacation out of it, end up arrested and in a South American jail and have horror stories to tell, whose fault is it? (And you get bonus points for telling me where the run on sentence is). The jailers in South America or the stupid teenage girls who went to a foreign country to pick up a package for and from strangers?
The human brain is a terrible thing to waste.
How wonderfully convenient.
Something isn't evil if an authority figure tells you to do it. Actions no longer matter, only if that action is sanctioned by a leader or a higher power.
I guess we owe a lot of Germans and Japanese an apology then. After all, they were just "following orders" too.
I always worry about Isaac whenever I read this story. Imagine what it must have been like to suddenly find your father tying you up and standing over you with a sharp knife. Even though God speaks to Abraham and stops the sacrifice (and there is no indication that Isaac hears this voice), it must have seriously damaged Isaac's trust in his dad. It probably helps to explain why Isaac's own sons had serious relationship issues.
g0d: "Say Abraham, you haven't showed ME you love ME lately, so I want you to sacrifice your son for ME just to prove you love ME more than him. ... Ha Ha, just kidding."
Abraham was commanded to and thus he was justified by Faith in God
Being commanded by your god to kill someone on an alter is the definition of ritual sacrifice.
Fuck pull your head out of your ass.
Wow...way to paraphrase instead of quote, to include context instead of removing it, and talk about something that, given your description, is pretty horrible regardless of God's seal of approval!
Other than the fact that this is a folktale that rationalizes all kinds of murder in the name of imaginary sky beings.
Other than that, you're right: nothing "evil" about it. And by the quotes, I can assume that where Bog is concerned, you fundies are now relativists on this term as well. Perfect. More fuel to your fael.
I feel physically sick when people use the story of Abraham and Isaac as a fable preaching "strength of faith"; it is not, repeat not , admirable in any sense to have faith in anyone to the point where you would kill your child upon their request. Someone who would do so, or even consider doing so, deserves nothing but contempt.
So, the faithful keep arguing that women who get abortions should be punished because a mother killing her own baby (sic) is evil, and should be punished.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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