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Fact: Atheists worship determinism.
Fact: Determinism is unprovable, just like god.

There are certainties and uncertainties, we know within a certain degree of accuracy what will happen in some experiments under controlled conditions yet there is no way to predict whether Schrodinger's cat will live or die. Thus determinism is unprovable.

[After some debate]

What's so difficult to understand about the concept "unprovable is not the same as disproven"? There is something very wrong with atheism if people turn out like this.

Your pathological obsession with pretending determinism exists despite the fact it is unproven is the equivalent of worship. You bear down so heavily on religions, especially christianity for some reason, because you want to avoid responsibility. By pretending only people who believe in god are capable of ignorance you shift attention away from your own, which is why atheism is so popular amongst Karl Marx worshippers.

zwaraaaa, eve community 38 Comments [3/26/2008 7:30:31 PM]
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Pedantic Twit

I know all the words used in that post and what they mean, but that is pure and utter nonsense.

3/26/2008 7:36:01 PM

Antichrist

determinism is unprovable?

Definitions:
a theory or doctrine that acts of the will, occurrences in nature, or social or psychological phenomena are causally determined by preceding events or natural laws
People believe these things. therefore determinism exists.

the quality or state of being determined
you seem to have determinism about insulting the atheists on the board.

And really, who ever worshiped Karl Marx? That's so 1950's

3/26/2008 7:44:28 PM

tmr

Your pathological obsession with pretending god exists despite the fact it is unproven is the equivalent of worship. You bear down so heavily on those who don't believe as you do, especially those who don't believe in any god for some reason, because you want to avoid responsibility. By pretending only people who don't believe in god are capable of ignorance you shift attention away from your own, which is why christianity is so popular amongst bible worshippers.

Not as good as others here could have done, but you see that by changing a few simple words you have proven yourself the ignorant one. And you didn't even have to try.

Aside from the fact that I personally worship nothing and no one, I'd say you're wrong from the get go.

Determinism is a theory of philosophy, therefore it really isn't worshiped. It may be studied and examined, but I don't think claiming people worship something you don't understand is a very good place to start your argument.

3/26/2008 7:45:46 PM

Old Viking

I once worshipped Karl Marx, but it was a case of mistaken identity. At the time I thought he was the guy with the mustache, heavy eyebrows and cigar.

3/26/2008 7:47:18 PM

toothache

lol...wut.

3/26/2008 8:01:31 PM

big baby jesus

get it through your head, just because you worship something doesnt mean everyone else does

3/26/2008 8:04:20 PM

Papabear

Fact: atheists do not worship anything or anyone.
Fact: zwaraaaa is an asshat.

I don't "bear down" on Christianity "because I want to avoid responsibility." I critize Christianity because it is ridiculous.

Nobody worships Karl Marx.

3/26/2008 8:05:18 PM

Nowonmai

What is with you Fundies and your redefining of words? Atheists don't worship anything! Why is that so damned difficult to get your head around.

3/26/2008 8:08:01 PM

Septic Sceptic

"Fact: Atheists worship* determinism.
Fact: Determinism is unprovable, just like god.


* Fail begins here.

"By pretending only people who believe in god are capable of ignorance you shift attention away from your own, which is why atheism is so popular amongst Karl Marx worshippers.**"

**Fail reaches critical levels. Only the post ending prevents total meltdown.

3/26/2008 8:09:11 PM

Grand Archblasphemer of York

Don't know what this babble about determinism is, but: tying atheism into communist ideology and avoiding responsibility? Very classy...I have never heard that argument before (eyeroll).

3/26/2008 8:17:38 PM

Quantum Mechanic

Atheists don't worship.


3/26/2008 8:19:11 PM

Lilith

Wow, way to misunderstand Schrodinger.

The thought experiment was intended to show how ridiculous he though the idea of quantum entanglement. Logically things can't be in two places or opposite states at the same time. He thought it was just silly to say the cat was both alive and dead.


3/26/2008 8:19:17 PM

Mister Spak

"Fact: Determinism is unprovable, just like god. "

Fact: Lightning rods designed using deterministic principles protect you from lightning. Whining and crying to your god does not.

Conclusion: Determinism works. Your god doesn't.
You fail.

3/26/2008 8:20:49 PM

Osiris

Atheists don't worship anything. Neither do deists, agnostics, and pantheists.

3/26/2008 8:33:55 PM

Riin-thrall

Belief in something, if reliance on the decidedly reliable concept of determinism could even be described thus, is not in any way equivalent to worship.

Clearly, you simply don't understand what the word actually means.

Incidentally, atheists tend to "bear down so heavily" on Christianity in particular because Christianity is the dominant religion in the west. It's all around us and it's just unavoidable, so it's both easiest to learn about and closest to home; thus, easier to "bear down heavily" upon.

3/26/2008 8:45:24 PM



No one worships determinism, it is philosophy. Atheists don't worship anything, that's why they are called atheists. Marxism isn't religion either, it is a view of history from a economical basis. In fact I don't think that there is there anything in this post that shows that you have ever read a definition of any of those things before you posted this crap.

3/26/2008 8:58:25 PM

Fanatic-Templar

FACT: zwaraaaa has seven arseholes, and they all shoot ancient egyptian laser beams.

3/26/2008 9:18:57 PM

Archaeopath


3/26/2008 9:27:43 PM



Redefine, redefine until you find what?

3/26/2008 9:34:51 PM

cyborgtroy

Actual Fact: Atheists do not worship anything, no matter how much you say we do.

Actual Fact: I believe it is philosophically undeniable that determinism is true. I also believe that although all things are deterministic, they are not predetermined, as there is no higher being, and creating a device that could predict the future would be impossible for various reasons.

3/26/2008 10:29:54 PM

Munchiez

Is this fundie dictionary material for the word "worship"?

3/26/2008 11:15:26 PM

LOLKILLZ

Must...not...kill...
I WANT TO SO BAD!!!

3/26/2008 11:27:35 PM

yarps

@ Lilith:

True, but from my experiences even many physicists don't fully understand that point. It's hardly fair to hold someone who can't even use a dictionary to that type of standard.

3/27/2008 1:24:41 AM

deathbird

I find it most amusing that he accuses atheists of avoid responsibility, when the biggest avoiders of responsibility are fundies where everything is the fault of God or demons and never of themselves...

3/27/2008 1:28:46 AM

Giveitaday

What manner of fuckery is this?

3/27/2008 1:31:06 AM
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