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I just want to know what they mean by “high molecular evolutionary rate.” It can’t be mutations, since there is no such thing at the molecular level. You need genes for that. So what are they referring to? These scientists are so blinded by evolutionary dogma that they are having trouble making the appropriate distinctions.

JPCollado, Uncommon Descent 32 Comments [3/30/2008 2:00:01 AM]
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#448922
t3h_fuhr3r

I have to admit, if I addressed the subject, I would be equally clueless.
However, that is why I choose to not address it.

3/30/2008 2:04:19 AM
#448938
Grand Archblasphemer of York

Molecular evolution is looking at changes in the DNA, RNA, and protein at a molecular scale....so, yes, in a way, it is mutations, and genes are (drumroll please) composed of the molecules that are observed.

3/30/2008 2:20:01 AM
#448943
cool cats

Sigh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA

3/30/2008 2:25:34 AM
#448945
Durane

Would just be dumb and not fundie if not for the last sentence. Oh well.

3/30/2008 2:26:33 AM
#448950
Antichrist

So I Googled "molecular mutations", and got some very long winded papers.

Then I Googled "tutorial molecular mutations" and this was the best I found
http://biology.kenyon.edu/courses/biol114/Chap09/Chap09A.html

This is not something one can understand from a quick read. So I leave it at that.

@JPCollado - see what I did there? I said the three magic words "I don't know". I know they're hard to say, but really they make you sound a lot smarter than rambling off on a topic you know nothing about. Also by saying the magic words, you may actually learn something, because people who are knowledgeable tend to enjoy sharing their knowledge.

3/30/2008 2:29:39 AM
#448961
Old Viking

Don't you just hate it when people are blinded by dogma?

3/30/2008 2:39:24 AM
#448964
Illuminatalie

t3h_fuhr3r : hahaha!

3/30/2008 2:41:26 AM
#448979
cyborgtroy

"It can’t be mutations, since there is no such thing at the molecular level."

Scientists discover that everything is made of hydrogen and atoms do not technically exist.

3/30/2008 2:58:59 AM
#448984
David D.G.

It's pretty stupid of this guy to acknowledge that he doesn't know what the scientists mean by this, and then condemn them for not "making the appropriate distinctions." How the heck does he know they're not making appropriate distinctions, when he has already acknowledged that he has no idea what they're talking about?!? It's like me trying to tell jazz musicians that they're not musical, when all I know is three-chord rock!


~David D.G.

3/30/2008 3:05:44 AM
#448986


Well DUH!!!!! How blinded must one be by religious paranoia not to realize that every time the would "evolutionary " is used it does not necessarily always refer to Darwin's theory?

3/30/2008 3:07:32 AM
#449035
Osiris

Fucking just look it up for once m'kay.

3/30/2008 4:24:56 AM
#449081
LOLKILLZ

Different kind of evolution.

3/30/2008 5:28:52 AM
#449087
DinDC

Now I'm confused - I thought genes were from teh Debbil. Oh wait - This is from an ID website. Never mind.

3/30/2008 5:38:13 AM
#449179


Molecules are clusters of atoms, which are part of the elements that form the cell, does it answer your question?

3/30/2008 9:36:30 AM
#449214
anevilmeme

Exactly how badly does our education system suck if this clown thinks he/she has brilliant argument?

3/30/2008 11:41:14 AM
#449218
Frank

Genes exist on the molecular level. Damn it.

DNA is a molecule that is composed of little legos that we call "nucleotides." These lego pieces come in four flavors: A T C & G. The different order that these lego pieces come in creates genes - which are parts of the DNA molecule which can be used as blue prints to make the rest of the molecules that your body is made of.

So when we talk about "molecular evolution" we mean that individual lego pieces in the DNA molecule are being replaced, added, or subtracted. We call these "insertions" (when a lego piece is added), "deletions" (when a lego piece is subtracted), and "substitutions" (when one lego piece is replaced by another one). All of these are collectively known as "mutations."

Now sometimes a mutation will happen in a part of the DNA where a gene is, and then the creature will be made of different proteins. Sometimes this isn't even noticeable because the new protein happens to work about the same as the old protein. And sometimes this is difficult to spot because the new protein only has a different effect on the microscopic level. And sometimes this is immediately obvious because the new protein changes the development of the organism so that it comes out in an entirely different shape. A lot of mutations are lethal, either immediately or before the creature has a chance to have children (because the changed protein is something that you need to live or reproduce). These mutations, while common, never make it into the general population because the creature is a one-off.

Argh. It's really not that complicated.

-Frank

3/30/2008 11:53:24 AM
#449245
Blayze Kohime

I think we are becoming slack on who we are posting up as 'fundies'. 'Anyone that disagrees with us' is not really a great definition and makes for relatively boring quotes like this one :)

3/30/2008 1:04:58 PM
#449264
Frank

First he steals my name, now he knows basic molecular biology. Get your own life Frank. Dammit.

3/30/2008 1:42:59 PM
#449279
Canadiest

Isn't it weird how they say we'll never understand the complexities of life so God must be the answer? Then they say science is crap because it's too complicated.

p.s.
Dogma's a word used to describe faith based beliefs, not sciences.

3/30/2008 2:32:32 PM
#449280
Ambrielle

I just want to cry.

3/30/2008 2:34:09 PM
#449361
Nirjuana

You don't even know what is a molecule do ya?

3/30/2008 4:50:00 PM
#449376
toothache

The ignorance is just astounding.

3/30/2008 5:25:10 PM
#449447
John

These scientists are so blinded by evolutionary dogma that they are having trouble making the appropriate distinctions.

What distinctions? Genes are part of a DNA molecule. They code the building of other molecules. When the DNA molecule gets damaged, that's a mutation. It changes the building of other molecules. What's the distinction?

3/30/2008 7:35:21 PM
#449495
Quantum Mechanic

"It can’t be mutations, since there is no such thing at the molecular level."

Better double check.

3/30/2008 8:58:40 PM
#449755
agentCDE

"It can’t be mutations, since there is no such thing at the molecular level. You need genes for that."

You, uh, might want to take a look at that new-fangled "deoxyribonucleic acid" stuff, bub.

3/31/2008 2:19:15 AM
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