Quote# 36977

[Bitner wrote:
Yes, I know Yahweh was testing Abraham. It was a sick, sadistic test that any self-respecting Deity should be above making. If Yahweh knows every hair on a person's head, as you claim, and knows what is in their hearts, and is omniscient, such testing wouldn't be necessary. He'd already know what Abraham would do.]

god DID already know what was going to happen, You see God is all knowing, which includes the future. He wanted to test Abraham.

Knit and Pray, topix.com 14 Comments [3/31/2008 9:30:05 AM]
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They call me V

A contradiction tour de force, 'tis. Can we asume that god is either A: A sadist or B: Saddly uninformed about his own powers, then?

4/7/2008 12:53:45 PM


It's not a test if he already knew the outcome. Tests are performed to observe an unknown outcome, or to confirm or deny a supposition. Obviously not the case if the outcome was known. If it was applied to observe a known outcome, your god obviously just wanted to watch Abraham squirm. I'm glad he's your sadistic god, not mine.

4/7/2008 1:21:33 PM


Aaaand the point sails right over K&P's head.

4/7/2008 5:28:52 PM

When has the Satan character ever done anything that fucked up to anyone?

4/7/2008 7:01:13 PM


Test when you don't know, when you know, why bother.

Take a pointer or two from your god. And TEST your religion. It fails soooo bad

4/7/2008 7:51:19 PM


Uh...if God knew...then he wouldn't have to test...

4/7/2008 7:58:40 PM


Y'hear that sonic boom? That's the sound of a point sailing Mach 1 over your head.

4/7/2008 9:59:55 PM


"Knit and Pray" is wrong.

I do not know the future. I have concepts, of course, so I can make predictions. Just like anybody else. The rock rolls down the hill. Where it will land exactly, nobody can know. So I can say: Heaven is coming. The sciency heaven with computers, movies, drugs, chess play on a grassy hill and uncountable sexual delights beyond today's phantasies.

Neither do I know everything of the present (for example the contents of your minds). I am just a guy. As "big" as the universe, of course (spirit mass, energy of selfperception, willpower), but just a human. The guy that you meet/ignore in the supermarket.

2/10/2009 3:20:14 PM


Uh, you do know that was the part where you're supposed to provide a rebuttal and prove the OP wrong, right?

Massive fail.

7/2/2010 7:27:52 PM


If god knew what was going to happen, WHY test him when you know the answer?

7/2/2010 7:31:44 PM


But if he already knew the outcome, why did he test Abraham anyway? Also, you seem to be missing the point that this test makes Yahweh look like an incredible sadist.

1/29/2014 11:57:03 PM

So if god KNOWS what's going to happen, he creates us KNOWING he will have to torture some of us and watch us suffer horribly in his hell for eternity?

Why would a omnibenevolent god create us knowing this? Why would he create hell in the first place if he already knew he would have to send some of us there?

1/30/2014 2:42:25 AM


So God already knew Adam and eve were going to eat the forbidden fruit and he was going to bring sin into our world? Yet God's not to blame?

1/30/2014 4:54:30 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Although K & P doesn't explain the point very articulately, this is actually a very popular interpretation of this story. God, being omniscient, knew what was going to happen. The lesson to be learned was for Abraham. Either Abraham had enough trust in God to know that he would be stopped, or Abraham would prove to himself that he was willing to do, literally, anything for his god.

The point that fundamentalists tend to miss is that, after this incident, the bible does not record Abraham ever speaking to Isaac or Sarah again. Furthermore, Abraham and God are not recorded as speaking to each other either. Although Isaac lived and Abraham's faith was illustrated, the story does NOT have an entirely happy ending. That observation tends to get a little too deep for most fundamentalists, which is probably why they ignore it.

1/30/2014 7:23:36 AM

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