Fanicfull writing you say? They are prophesies my friend. Prophesies fullfilled 100% besides the end time prophesies. You know what, give me one prophesy in the Bible, besides the end time prophesies (which amazingly are starting to be fullfilled), that has not come to pass. It's a challenge.
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Well, let's see. Jesus can't come back. Because he's DEAD, and according to your scriptures, contact with the dead is forbidden.
Why the hell don't you learn to spell.
Also, those 'prophecies' are so vague they could be applied to anything.
Any prophesy will be fulfilled if it's vague enough or common enough. If you predict war, disease, famine, earthquakes, floods and other disasters, they're sure to come true at some point during the next 4,000 years. Now if the Bible had said back in 1,500 BC "there'll be a great war in the early 1940's", that would be impressive.
@John
Impressive .... Nah!, it would be off by a full year, as the second world war started in 1939.
Not very good for an infallible supreme being imho :D
So, literally spelled out prophesies have come to pass? Specific dates, times, locations, etc? Or, have things happened that could have been predicted by any human being at any time, any where in the world? Things like famine, pestilence, war...all human conditions that I prophesy will occur in 100 years on the large continent with the prolific leader.
But the question is: Now that people can reply pointing out Biblical prophecies that haven't came true and such, will he change his mind? No. Therefore, its not a challenge. Giving a real challenge means that you are honestly wondering if something can be done and will take action if you discover it can be.
This reminds of that Pearls before Swine cartoon where Rat buys a prophetic toaster. It says thinks like "There will be strife in the middle east, the government will complain about violent video games, and your toast will be burned to a crisp. Ding!"
It seems a lot of the biblical "prophecies" are minor events compared to predicting, say, the Holocaust or the 2004 tsunami.
Jesus biographers, writing decades after his death, who have been steeped in Jewish prophetic literature since they were born, were writing books to try to convince others that Jesus was the Messiah. What are the chances that they would not insert every prophetic fulfillment they could imagine? Slim to none.
Did you ever notice how prophecies are written really vaugely?
Its so they can be easily applied to anything, and the writer doesn't look like a fraud.
@ Eric, darn, I wanted to use that one :-}
So I'll just quote the predictions that came true instead:
Oh, and there will be wars in the Middle East. If religion predicting that isn't a self-fulfilling prediction I don't know what is...
Done.
What's startling is not the number of unproven prophecies, but the number of things in the Bible that are interpreted as prophecies but manifestly aren't. Like, oh, lots of stuff in the book of Psalms.
No, that isn't even slightly challenging.
Genesis 2:17
According to Genesis 5:5, Adam lived almost a millennium after this prophesy.
If you want a few hundred more examples, I'll be happy to oblige.
"And the land shall be filled with fundies, and sensible talk will not be in them, and sane people shall roll their eyes upon encountering fundies, and the fundies shall wax wroth, and a man named Groucho Marx shall mke a joke about waxing wroth."
[From the Prophecies of St. Engelbert the Deranged.]
I must admit that all this has come to pass.
"Any prophesy will be fulfilled if it's vague enough or common enough." -- John
Well, that was the secret to Nostradamus's success!
The other secret to being a successful prognosticator is to use lots of symbolic language. That way, folks can easily interpret your prophecies in any way that they want.
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel ; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" - Micah 5:2
... hardly.
HAHA. I get insulted by you people, laughed at, and all around disgraced, yet none of you have yet to give me a prophesy not fullfilled. Actualy I must thank one of you, for confirming one of those prophesies, the whole Jesus being born in Bethlehem. Well you see it didn't exist at the time the prophesy was writen, and when Jesus was born, it was a very very small town. You tried to show me one by saying ruler of Isreal not, but He is the ruler of Isreal, since He is God He is ruler of all. You people keep saying, well why didn't it give specific dates, it did, like when Christ was to be born, it gave3 the specific date, I recomend you to research it a little, you know look around the web. You people should read Barton Payne's encyclopedia of biblical Prophesies.
Notice how the two gospel writers who mention the birth of Jesus get him to Bethlehem by two different means - according to Matthew, his parents lived there, and according to Luke there was a ridiculous census in which people were supposed to go to the hometown of one of their distant ancestors. Both were quite obviously written with the intention of claiming that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Too bad the authors couldn't agree on how it happened.
You know what, give me one prophesy in the Bible, besides the end time prophesies (which amazingly are starting to be fullfilled), that has not come to pass. It's a challenge.
Psalm 110.
Yeah, I just went there. Nothing you can do.
Isaiah 2:3-4, King James Version
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
"Prophecies" written down AFTER the events they allegedly prophecized already occurred don't count.
Nor do prophecies whose fulfillment was made up by the Gospel of Matthew, by inventing events that never occurred.
You know what, give me one prophesy in the Bible,... that has not come to pass.
"Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:27 NAB)
Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB)
Jesus prophesies that he would come back during his disciple's lifetimes. Never happened.
"Prophecy" is a noun. "Prophesy" is a verb. Stop confusing them.
And everything else is just nonsense. Your prophecies are either too specific and haven't been fulfilled, or are extremely open-ended (especially those end-times ones) and could be fulfilled by pretty much anything. It's like predicting the sun will rise in the morning.
Confused?
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