This isn't a conspiracy theory?! The tibetan freedom supporters ARE (mostly) just people that push US agenda and aren't honest.
However my friend boontong, if your Gov. is enforcing harmony that way, I'll have the Western world over you any day.
4/20/2008 7:05:17 PM
And if they don't do it now, when are they going to do it?, when there is another Tian An Men?. And since when a group of crackpots saying whatever they want in internet is proof of anything?
4/20/2008 7:43:39 PM
Well said, Boontong! (Does anyone know what the hell he said?)
4/20/2008 9:41:38 PM
I think he wrapped his madness about the kernel of truth that pro-seperatists were not 100% honest activists, some of them being pro-US agents.
4/20/2008 10:12:49 PM
Uh... Doesn't Bush bend over to kiss Chinese ass on a regular basis? I mean he won't say a peep against them.
As far as the Dalai Lama, he's a monk. Sure it was a backwards goat herding nation, but they seemed happy until the Chinese showed up.
But keep toting that party line, there's good civil servant jobs for the sheeple.
4/21/2008 12:41:34 AM
Without the intervention of the Chinese Government, Tibetan would continue to live under the slavery of the religious masters. Go to youtube and search the videos on the lies of Dalai Lama. The free tibet movements are just the agents of USA and western world, who are afraid. originally at the spread of communism and now the growth of China. They are the masters who continue to exploit the Tibetan.
This part is basically true. Tibet was a really ugly country when it was one. Serfdom isn't cool. When the Dalai Lama actually ruled the place it was a medieval fundie horror show.
It was riots in Tibet and the Chinese government was just enforcing law and order to ensure peace and harmony. There was no clamp down. The Chinese government is not stupid to choose this time to clamp down the separatists and western interference of China internal affairs.
Well, no. It was riots in Tibet bolstered by weapons smuggled in from the US and India and the Chinese government clamped down and started shooting protesters. Just because one group is badly behaved doesn't mean their opponents are saints. The Chinese are badly behaved, and this doesn't mean the Tibetans are in the right. The Tibetans are badly behaved and this doesn't mean that the Chinese are in the right.
China responded to the terrorists by gunning down protesters - both violent and non-violent. That's just how the PRC rolls.
But as conspiracy theories go, this is weak sauce. Most of it is true, and the false parts may just be hyperbole to make a point.
4/21/2008 5:22:03 AM
4/21/2008 6:16:34 AM
Didn't expect such a comment, I wish there was a way to observe the issue neutrally
4/21/2008 12:58:06 PM
I would have to ask: If the Chinese government is doing the right thing, why will they not allow media to come watch them do the right thing? When a government gets secretive, it is always suspicious.
4/21/2008 1:57:32 PM
Is this guy seriously trying to revise history in favor of a Communist regime, *and* blame riots on peaceful monks?
4/22/2008 10:22:05 AM
TB: Didn't expect such a comment, I wish there was a way to observe the issue neutrally
Me too. Unfortunately, China, The US, France, Germany, Russia, India, and Brazil all play in the big kid's pool, which means that pretty much everything they do and don't do gets passed through the lens of propaganda by just about everyone.
China is an oppressive regime. It performs more judicial executions than all other reporting countries combined. And while that statistic is made somewhat less impressive by the fact that Myanmar, North Korea, and Sudan don't report, it needs to be stressed that Iran, Saudi Arabia, The United States, and Vietnam all do. China executes over a thousand people a year, a feat which is only exceeded in war zones and genocide campaigns. Reform in China is desperately needed.
But the Tibet issue is a manufactured one. You don't hear people whining about the fact that Heilongjiang isn't afforded an autonomous region status despite the fact that the residents are closer to Koreans in what they speak than they are to Mandarin. No one goes on the news complaining that the Guanxi AR is still a conquered territory even though it was practically created as a Zhuang concentration camp by Zhou Enlai. The news is entirely silent on the continued occupation of Uighurstan and the thankless struggle of the East Turkestan Resistance.
You don't hear about these because India and the US pay literally millions of dollars to get the plight of the Tibetans heard and embellished upon all over the world. If they didn't do that, you wouldn't even know who the Tibetans were. In fact, you may have strong feelings that the Tibetans should get their own country without knowing who the Tibetans are.
The Tibetan people are a football in a very large game of chicken. India funnels weapons to the Tibetans for precisely the same reason that Iran funnels weapons to the Iraqis: it costs a lot more money to police an area than it does to destabilize it. Sponsoring terrorism in other people's lands hurts everyone, but it hurts the sponsor less than it hurts the primary victim - it's just good sense if your goal is to beat the opponent rather than simply becoming as wealthy and safe as possible.
4/22/2008 10:54:54 AM
I am TB and yeah I changed the name.
East Turkestan, never heard because there are turkic folks that don't bend over to the west. They got morals not to be a terrorist with foreign arms.
I hate double standards so much...
4/25/2008 5:00:08 PM
This is just my opinion, and if anyone wants to comment and correct me, I'm interested in hearing different views.
Something to bear in mind AFTER all the olympics hoopla dies down - the inevitable crackdown that will happen in China. China does this again and again (before the 'cultural revolution', before the Tiam. Square incident), and every time people are surprised when it happens. Loosens things up, encourages people to speak their minds about the government, and a year or so later, rounds up all the people who spoke out against the government. Now is a convenient time for them to loosen things up because they promised to 'do something about human rights' so they can pretend that's what's going on.
And I kind of agree that while China's occupation of Tibet is rather odious, the reason that it is world news right now is related to a lot of world interests. Tibet is a very important strategic location, I would think.
Was there a worldwide torch relay for previous olympics btw? Did China decide to resurrect the practice in a misguided attempt at PR?
4/29/2008 12:23:35 PM