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"... On Fox's Married ... With Children, which began as a cleverly bawdy parody of the saccharine family sitcoms of the 1950's but has become, in the many critic's opinions, an over-the-top parody of itself. 'We don't have any sort of deep philosophical reason for joking about sex,' says Ron Leavitt, the creator of the show. 'Our intention was just to subvert the genre of squeaky-clean family entertainment.'" Again, what a terrific, eye-opening admission of the hidden agenda behind today's TV shows. At the time of writing the show, of creating it, the writers and producers wanted to "subvert" the normal family values. How much more clear can it get, my friends?

"After 10 seasons ... even the character's outrageousness has become predictable. The few jokes that don't refer to the sexual habits of the characters (a sexually frustrated mother, a prematurely ejaculating father, a slutty daughter, a sleazy son) revolve around their bad personal hygiene." Is this the picture of the 'normal' family today? The mother is sexually frustrated because the father prematurely ejaculates, the daughter is "slutty" which means she has sex with just about anyone, and the son is "sleazy" which means the same thing. What a difference from the "Leave It To Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" depictions of the 'typical' family in the 1950's. Oh, how far we have fallen!

David Bay, The Cutting Edge 34 Comments [4/28/2008 4:39:06 PM]
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John

It's called parody. Apparently it goes over some peoples' heads.

4/28/2008 4:42:05 PM

Robbie

I agree that Married... long overstayed its welcome, but fucking Christ! You do have a choice to not watch this show - it is not mandatory.

4/28/2008 4:48:49 PM

Fek'lhr

Would everyone like to know what I do when I am not watching tv?

Same thing I do all the rest of the time.

Seriously...un-plug, people.

4/28/2008 4:50:21 PM

captain big baby jesus

not much of a hidden agenda when they discuss it openly and the resulting product is broadcast to millions

4/28/2008 4:52:29 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Too late to stop it now, David. That show went out of production years ago and is now only available in reruns. So, if anyone's to blame for the downfall of family values, it's you for not speaking out earlier. I hope you can live with the guilt.

4/28/2008 4:56:21 PM

Osiris

You shot yourself in the foot when you called this thing a parody. Meaning that it's supposed to be outrageous and overblown. Meaning you're a fucking moron.

4/28/2008 5:03:56 PM

Reverend Davidius

TV? oh yeah that thing back at my parents' house. I wacth the history channel sometimes...

4/28/2008 5:05:10 PM

Dr. Funkenstein

Way to not understand satire.

Plus Kelly was hot.

4/28/2008 5:06:59 PM

Alfred

As you say, it was a "parody..." meaning that you missed the whole point.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has that show even been on the air in like 15 years?

4/28/2008 5:11:07 PM

tmr

Your idea of typical is sadly warped. Married with Children, while not one of my favorite shows, was certainly more realistic than the Beav and other fake families of the 50's.

It's agenda was certainly not hidden; not in any way, shape or form. Combined with the fact that it was satire; a parody. You acknowledge that, yet you don't seem to understand it.

4/28/2008 5:12:46 PM

DavidS

A show which stopped production over 10yrs ago...The Cutting Edge?

4/28/2008 5:13:39 PM

Mister Spak

You would be a good addition to that show - a married with children version of Ned Flanders.

4/28/2008 5:19:32 PM

Necronomikron

David: You don't seriously think that the 'typical' family from the 50's was accurately depicted in Beav, etc.? If you do, then I fear for your sanity.

4/28/2008 5:32:53 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

What a difference from the "Leave It To Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" depictions of the 'typical' family in the 1950's. Oh, how far we have fallen!

Way to miss the point - the whole joke is that there was never a time like those ghastly '50s visions of utopia. That's how subversive humour works; by taking those one-dimensional propaganda pieces and showing them for the impossible dreck they are by inserting examples of real life into them! There have always been dysfunctional families, and they have always been the majority. Life is never that fucking perfect for most of the population. It may be something to aspire to, but constantly bombarding people with depictions of such unattainable perfection being normal is psychologically dangerous. (come to think of it, most religions' visions of heaven and ideal human life also fall foul of this principle)

The only question is, do you take the position that saturating the media with impossible depictions of utopia is better than humourous depictions of real, dysfunctional life for helping the average viewer cope with their own imperfect existence, or do you actually swallow that bullshit propaganda and believe the '50s really were Pleasantville?

4/28/2008 5:47:59 PM

GigaGuess

@Mister Spak

At least Ned was relatively harmless. A David style fundie would be running around with a super-soaker full of Holy Water, shrieking "DEMONS! DEMONS!"

4/28/2008 5:56:42 PM

Gjervan

So, sit-coms went from "this is how it should be" to "don't become like this"...

... I think the latter is better...

4/28/2008 6:03:55 PM

avowed_cynic

You can't fall far from "Leave it to Beaver." That show sucked.

I'm gonna bet this person doesn't have a job and is too lazy to do anything else, and spends all day watching bad soaps and complaining about the state of society.

4/28/2008 6:09:37 PM

Antichrist

I'm amazed at how many people who seem to think "Leave It To Beaver" and such are documentaries.

Pick up a history book and read up on the 50's in the US, it was a rather scary time. Nuclear War, Communism, Recession, Strikes. It was a hard time.

4/28/2008 6:34:10 PM

anevilmeme

Didn't Married with Children end production about 10 yrs ago? So it'll be about 2015 before fundies catch on to Family Guy?

4/28/2008 6:47:54 PM

Old Viking

Suggestions: change the channel, take a walk, read a book.

4/28/2008 6:48:32 PM

Paschall Wagner

Join David next week, when he reveals that Elvis Presley is out to seduce your daughters.

4/28/2008 7:02:10 PM

cyborgtroy

Or you could just admit it's stupid and you don't like it.

4/28/2008 7:09:11 PM

Arne

Ehh, altough Bud wanted to have sex with just about anyone - he was a male Bundy so his success rate was pretty low. [would define him more as pathetic than sleazy]

4/28/2008 7:42:39 PM

approximate

Family life has never been like Leave It To Beaver or Father Knows Best and it will never be.

4/28/2008 7:55:16 PM

haywood jablomy

Dave, read Stephanie Coontz's book "The Way We Never Were." She pretty much blows up the notion of "typical" 50s families pretty damn effectively.

I'm no fan of the Bundys but I also dug Christina Applegate. Hell, I still think she's hot though I can't get into "Samantha Who?"

4/28/2008 8:25:56 PM
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