Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
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Hahahahahaha. Hahahahahahaha. Haaaa.
I love this bit especially: "Billy's mom has affair with psychologist"
Still getting it up for the 13 year olds, Stud-4-Christ?
Parenting changes with the times. However, I get the impression that you beat the living fuck out of your kids and look for justification in history and the bible. That kind 'o folk is fucking scary. You may want to just go ahead and kill yourself as a preemptive measure. (P.S. George Bush thinks preemptive strikes are a great idea, So it would be like doing gods work. Do it now. Jesus loves you:)
Belts are a bit severe arn't they? & those "scenario's" are a bit OTT. hitting a child does not guarantee a succesful child, nor does not hitting them guarantee a child who will be a litle shit.
there areother ways to punish a child, though i am not against very VERY mild hitting provided it is for something the child should be greatly warned about, like biting other children or sticking forks in electric sockets. Not to say i'm suggesting you pull out a belt & beat them, more like, you give them a rough tap on the hand.
& all my cousin does is hit her kids... they're accustomed to it now, & they're some of the worst fuckers i've ever known, like i said, there are other ways to punish children, & shouting & hitting only does absolutely fuck-all
He's a kid! Sure, punish him, but you don't have to beat him. It does sound like you beat your kids though. It figures, people like you always use religion to justify any of the horrible things you do.
With stories that convoluted, Randy here could consider writing for daytime soap operas. Before you vehemently oppose his idiocy polluting your TV airwaves, consider that with the quality of daytime soap operas, no one will notice if it's him or whoever else they have writing that stuff.
2057 - Billy is sent to Jesus Camp to repent his sins with Bro. Randy.
2157 - Human civilization has long since collapsed, and the only traces of our existence are the infrastructures of our cities, cluttered with theocratic propaganda and grown over with grass and vines, nature breaking through our carefully constructed barrier.
Was it on purpose? If it was, Billy needs his ass beat. But if he was just throwing rocks or something and accidentally breaks the window, he just needs to apologize and work to buy a new window. Violence is not needed.
Dad gives him a whipping. He gives his kids whippings. They give their kids whippings. And on and on...
Eventually, some poor kid gets beaten to death for no reason.
Since we're just spinning our wheels here, what about...
1987 - Billy, 8, accidentally breaks a neighbor's car window. His Dad talks to him about the duties and responsibilities of a human being in a civilized society. Dad leaves Billy to decide what he should do.
Billy's Dad approaches the neighbor and gives him a check to replace the car window. Dad and neighbor agree on a course of action.
After some soul-searching, Billy approaches the neighbor and offers to pay for the car window. As agreed with the Dad, the neighbor tells Billy that, if he would mow the lawn and trim the hedges every week for three months, the neighbor would accept that as recompense.
Billy grows up, goes to West Point, then goes to war. He now dreams of eventually getting a law degree and, maybe, running for public office.
Different characters, similar scenario. Unlike Randy's wank, this really happened.
I actually just blogged about that article two days ago! Trippy...
This guy really wants it so that we know longer try to be concerned about child abuse (because it is obviously all just overreacting to a person disciplining their child), because apparently belting kids magically transformed them into successful human beings. Oh, and apparently foster care leads to gang activity, psychologists are waste of time, and are also after their client's mother.
An intricate tapestry...
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt. He blacks a few eyes and clubs Billy in the head a little for extra measure. Maybe a little too much, but what the hey. 2008- Billy looks to imaginary friends for support, grows up so fucked up he can't even remember his own name, calls himself Bro.somebody and makes up shit out of his damaged head.
And makes up still more shit.
Hey, this is sorta like fun...
As a warning, if you leave that page up for any length of time, you get really annoying, whiny music blasting through your speakers! It scared the bejeebus out of me!
2007 - Dad gives his son stern talking to and removes privileges (allowance, tv, whatever) for an appropiate amount of time. Billy learns his lesson and grows up realising it's unacceptable to deal with problems by way of violence (even -!- if it's against someone too small or powerless to fight back).
1957 Billy grow up embittered and becomes a child molesting, evangelical christian type who starts a website so he can get his hands on teenage girls . . .
Wait, Randy, is your real name Billy?
Yay, Billy's dad is charged with abuse!! He goes to jail, and his son and daughter are able to recover their lives and go on to be normal people. Hopefully, the son learns to respect the people in his life, and the daughter learns that she deserves respect. In an ideal situation, the wife divorces the scumbag husband and finds a real man who doesn't solve problems with violence.
Fixed.
Scenario: Billy is playing catch with a friend in his front yard, and accidentally breaks a window in the neighbor's car.
1957 His dad makes him fess up and apologize to the neighbor, in addition to planning a way to pay back the money.
2007 - His dad makes him fess up and apologize to the neighbor, in addition to planning a way to pay back the money.
Randy rants on about Jacobean English, being the lord's anointed messenger and the end of the world coming about because women wear trousers.
1957 - Randy is given help and locked away for his own protection.
2007 - Randy sets up a cult on this new-fangled, Satan-ridden interwebs and gets to pontificate to teenagers, who think he's some kind of guru and believe everything he says.
(He's right - things were better back then)
Or, instead of resorting directly to violence, like a primitive animal, Billy's dad could handle the situation rationally. Anyone who can't teach their child right from wrong without beating the hell out of them is a twit.
According to statistics, in both cases Billy didn't go to university because the places where dads give a whipping with belts have the lowest population with tertiary education and where people can't afford going there with their incomes. And that has a lot to do with "successful businessmen", because their economy is rather faulty. Moreover, with the high rate spousal abuse and people convicted for killing their children, I know what Billy's destiny was.
I don't understand, why would a successful businessman, presumably in his fifties or sixties by this time, be taken into care? Does he have early-onset Alzheimers or something? And what sort of gang would he join? Is he Herbert Kornfeld?
Something I find interesting whith this whole "kids these days need more beatings" thing, at school the biggest arseholes, trouble makers and delinquents were the kids who had the sort of parents whose solution to a parenting problem would have been to slap 'em one or knock the shit out of them (mind you, I would have liked to have kicked a few of them in the face).
Doesn't mean that was the cause of their problems, but something to think about. Certainly being hit didn't stop their behaviour.
Scenario: A black man and white woman fall in love.
1957 - The black man is abducted by a lynch mob and hanged. None of his killers experience even slight repercussions for their crimes. The woman is beaten by her father for the dishonor he thinks she was involved in.
2007 - Both parents give their blessings and they are married. They live a good life together as equals and raise healthy children.
Why do Christians insist that the 50's were a better time? Just because the news media of that age avoided covering the real problems of the world doesn't mean that there were none. Racism, murder, rape, and spouse abuse were rampant and most of the time no one was caught or it was covered up to protect family honor.
Um...yeah....My dad was like that. "Spare the rod spoil the child" and all.
Remember folks, don't hit them in the face or their teachers will notice! ;)
Turns out I have a spinal injury from when he nearly choked me to death.
People like my father and this "Brother Randy" can get fucked with a lacquered bus.
Mr Blur wrote
'Randy rants on about Jacobean English...'
Not necessarily, he seems to think the 1611KJV is written in Victorian English. From later in his blog:
So, here is the official position of Teens-4-Christ (and me) regarding the Scriptures:... While the King James translation is not directly inspired (the Apostle Paul, for example, did not speak Victorian era English), the KJV is the faithfully, divinely preserved, text of God's Word for English speaking man.
Actually, I think that quote might be worth its own thread.
This is part of a joke chain email that pokes fun at zero tolerance. Leave it to Bro. Randy to not know that. *eyeroll*
What point was he trying to make, here, anyway?
1600 - The rapture is coming within a few years!
1700 - The rapture is coming within a few years(but it's real this time)!
1800 - The rapture is coming within a few years(honest)!
1900 - The rapture is coming within a few years(times have NEVER been like this)!
2000 - The rapture is coming within a few years(I feel it's the end of days)!
1957-Billy breaks window in his neighbor's car. Dad buys him a PBR and says, "That'll teach that nigger son of a bitch for moving into my all white neighborhood." Billy gets drunk and rapes neighbor's daughter("afterall black women are always horny and want it from whitemen") joins the KKK, firebombs the neighbor's house, and ends up jail. Dad blames commies and jews. 2007- Same story! Dad blames it all on liberal media and the ACLU.-Fixed
Scenario: A woman is continually beaten by her husband for not making his dinner on time.
1957 - The wife murmurs apologies and gets back to making dinner. The next day, she tries to appeal for outside help, but nobody takes her seriously. She powders her face with makeup to hide the bruises and continues to stay at home, making dinner as always for her piggish husband.
2007 - The husband is arrested for spousal abuse. The wife testifies against him in court. When he is convicted, she divorces his sorry rear. After weekly meetings with a psychologist, the woman manages to pick herself up and learn to be independent, while her abusive lout of a husband rots in prison.
Alternatively:
2007 - Billy's Dad makes him own up and apologise to the neighbour, makes him pay for the repair out of his own pocket money thus Billy learns the consequences of his actions, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
Sure, violence is the ONLY way to get it through a kid's head that he should respect other people's property!
Love the 'abuse victims have just been brainwashed by liberal psychologists' subtext there, too.
Oh, and why is Billy getting put into foster care if Mom's still around?
I'm going to stop now. This is so full of delusional self-righteous fail that it's just not worth it. Bro Randy is a disgusting creature.
So, I guess the times have changed. In 1957 breaking a window of your neighbor's car (as a child) resulted in you becoming a successful businessman, while today (2007) it only results in your mother having an affair with a psychologist. The logical chain is clearly unbreakable.
another post from this blog explains his biblical justification for literal inerrancy.
I want to know how
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." translates to "the bible is complete." the two seem not remotely related .
there is a difference between displine and beating.
im for minor corporal punishment. but no damage. (belt? how about an open palm)
or better yet, grounding them, taking away their allowance ect...
you dont have to be violent to them.
2007 - Billy, getting beaten every day, becomes depressive and hates his father. Eventually he snaps, kills his entire family and shoots himself in the head. Some fundie blames Grand Theft Auto and Slipknot, even though Billy had never even heard of them.
FIXED
Let's fix this, shall we?
1957- Billy breaks a window, his dad beats him, nobody does anything about that 'cause it's 1957 and people were assholes back then.
Billy grows up. His experiences with his father had taught him not to be like his old man. He learns to be more careful, becomes a successful businessman with a minor in Psych. He has a son late in life, also named Billy
2007-Billy, Jr. breaks a window. Rather then fall into the vicious cycle his dad set up, Bill Sr actually acts like a real father, and helps his son fix the window without smacking him around.
Real men don't need to hit.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, learns to lie, cheat and evade responsibility for his actions in order to avoid the violent overreaction of his psychotic father. Billy grows up, goes to college, uses his new found 'talents' to become a successful businessman. Gets involved in politics, orchestrates the invasion of foreign countries for profit.
Or more likely, Billy kills his dad when he´s in his twenties and joins a gang anyway. Please, gangs are deader than disco, for the white population at least.
Confused?
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