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[Where in the constitution does it say anything about murder being illegal? We have all sorts of laws that regulate murder in other ways, such as the death penalty, murder by self-defense, hell, in some states you can even murder someone legally for entering your property. So unless all of these regulations are unconstitutional, your argument fails.]

You are seriously going to compare death penalty or killing in self defense with murder? Death penalty was instituted by God himself as the very basis for human government to exits with its goal to protect human life against murderers with the death penalty. (Genesis 9) You are morally banckrupt and have no arguement

True Conservative, Third Party Watch 26 Comments [4/28/2008 11:32:43 PM]
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Fuck it, you both fail.

4/28/2008 11:34:58 PM


"Morally bankrupt"? never heard that one before.

Well this is a touchy subject, seeing as i support the death penalty. the thread itself is interesting though, considering i know nothing about US politics (Other than it's more of a puplarity contest, which is basically everywhere that doesn't get votes through terrorism)

So, i guess not much to add, other than the bible sais alot of things that are both good & bad, one should research as many sources as posible before assuming a firm belief in moral principle

4/28/2008 11:57:11 PM


If you do decide to go all DAYUM KIDZ! GIT AWF MAH PRAWPUHTEE, at least have the decency to not decry others as "morally banckrupt and [having] no arguement" [sic].

4/29/2008 12:21:02 AM

Old Viking

Advice to both: give up your aspirations to become professional debaters.

4/29/2008 12:26:25 AM


I don't understand the purpose behind the death penalty. I mean they're already out of society, why kill them? It only fufills a justice system based more on vengeance then justice.

4/29/2008 1:19:54 AM


He's kinda right here.

The bible says that you can "execute" and "make war against" but you can not "murder." Unfortunately, all of those usually are translated improperly to "murder."

4/29/2008 1:20:32 AM


This isn't even a debate. It's two drunks arguing.

4/29/2008 1:28:27 AM


The tenth amendment to the US constitution says that any powers not enumerated in the document are reserved to the states or to the people.

That means that the federal government doesn't have the power to make laws against such things -- it is up to state governments. Perfectly constitutional. (federal drug laws aren't)

4/29/2008 1:35:32 AM


You're both wrong and I think you both need to examine your morals.

4/29/2008 1:42:41 AM


God made the death penalty? Then how you explain the crusades? The inquisition? Anyone and everyone who has killed in the name of the Lord?

4/29/2008 2:49:57 AM


Killing is wrong unless you scream Jesus before you do it.

4/29/2008 5:51:23 AM

Wet Walnuts

Do these two idiots even know what they are talking about?

4/29/2008 6:03:52 AM


I recall the bible said that THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
I don't recall any qualifiers on that.

4/29/2008 6:55:02 AM

Ok, you kill a person and the other person killed. What's the difference?. Killing is killing. And which way did God create the death penalty?, did he appoint the judges and the people who have to decide or it's just a SOCIAL CONVENTION?

4/29/2008 8:51:33 AM


Damn twits.

4/29/2008 9:36:01 AM

Blayze Kohime

Yes we are morally bankrupt because we don't think people should be killed in cruel ways (stoning, burning to death) for trivial crimes (chopping wood on the sabbath, talking bak to your parents) as they are in t he Bible.
This is why its so hard to witness to some atheists. Its not because they have no morals, but because they have superior morals and can't lower themselves to Christian cruelty.

4/29/2008 11:37:20 AM


Killing for the greater good?

4/29/2008 1:25:25 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"... Death penalty was instituted by God himself as the very basis for human government to exits with its goal to protect human life against murderers with the death penalty. ..."

Yes, and it works so well as a deterrent that ever since that day no murder was ever committed in any jurisdiction that has the death penalty while those countries that have abolished capital punishment, say all the nations of Western Europe, are over-run with crime and violence.

... oh wait. It's just the opposite? Well, never mind, then.

4/29/2008 2:52:06 PM


In before Cain.

4/29/2008 9:06:29 PM


I believe a more correct translation of the bible would say not "thou shallt not kill" but 'thou shallt do no murder'.

BTW it's 'bankrupt'. There is no 'c' in it.

4/30/2008 10:48:18 AM

Crimson Lizard

So, it's not murder when you do it, eh?

And we're morally bankrupt?

12/1/2012 11:42:49 AM


You are grammatically bankrupt and have no argument.

12/1/2012 1:20:26 PM


So Albert Pierrepoint was actually God disguised as an Englishman?

12/2/2012 1:44:24 AM


I am seriously going to compare the deliberate ending of a human life with the deliberate ending of a human life, yes. None of the EU countries have the death penalty any more, and we appear to do fairly well without it. There are multiple studies that say that the presence of the death penalty might be a brutalizing aspect; if you have killed one person, you might as well kill a few more, they can only execute you once anyway.

Killing someone for just entering your property is NOT killing in self-defense. In order for it to be self-defense, your life must be in jeopardy.

12/2/2012 5:22:15 AM


This gonna be good. *grabs some popcorn and a chair*

12/2/2012 8:25:57 AM

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