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QUESTION FOR ALL

I have been to a few weddings lately were God is completely absent from the ceremony. The Bride/Groom do not want God, Christianity, or any form of religion mentioned in anyway. They want a strictly secular, practically atheistic ceremony.

The question is: Does God view these marriages as "legit"? Is the couple REALLY Married in Gods eyes? Are they living in a constant state of adultery even though they made a vow to honor and love each other forever? What about marriages in other religious traditions? Do Islamic, Buddhist, etc marriages "count" in God's eyes, or are they null & void when it comes down to it.

My Wife and I were just curious

(and yes, we got married in a Church)

Doublezero, RaptureReady 46 Comments [4/28/2008 8:01:08 PM]
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Poisoned Rationality

My husband and I got married in a church too, and our wedding ceremony was non-denominational. Who cares if it's legit in God's eyes? It's legit in our eyes, the eyes of our families, and the government's. That's all that matters.

4/28/2008 8:03:30 PM

Upallnite

I had a secular wedding on the beach. Eveny my fundie inlaws said it was the best wedding they had ever seen.

"Is the couple REALLY Married in Gods eyes?"
No we are not married in Gods eyes. Because of that whole non-existant thing it is hard to get him to show up at a wedding.

From my point of view you are the one that had the fake wedding.

4/28/2008 8:09:04 PM

deathbird

And why is it any of your business, Doublezero?

Stop trying to impose your spurious morality on the rest of the universe.

4/28/2008 8:13:15 PM

Charlie

Going strictly off of what's posted here, I'm not sure this is particularly "fundie." It would be a valid topic for theological debate, if you're into that sort of thing.

Just my POV: the question in and of itself is not particularly fundie, but I'd wager a lot of possible responses will be.

4/28/2008 8:15:16 PM

cyborgtroy

Wow, you and your wife are really brainwashed. I think I can fix it by booting you from this Linux flash drive, but the damage to your internal hard disks may be permanent.

4/28/2008 8:17:50 PM

Septic Sceptic

Well did you send God an invite? No? Then He won't be there will he? Besides, He got sick of never catching the bouquet.

4/28/2008 8:25:17 PM

Mayhem

Marriage is a secular, business arrangement, for the most part. It's irrelevant if a religion legitimizes it as long as the government does.

4/28/2008 8:30:25 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Since people invariably turn to the state, not god, whenever they actually need to invoke their marital rights or handle a marital dispute, it doesn't fucking matter whether your god recognises the union or not.

4/28/2008 8:31:03 PM

werewolf

Why don't we just leave it to the bride and groom, shall we? They're the ones pledging themselves to each other, after all. It's really no one else's business - including your fantasy deity.

And, if they are both of age, only the government needs to recognize the legitimacy of the contract. All others are extra.

4/28/2008 8:35:34 PM

Thiniking Allowed

I have been to a few weddings lately were God is completely absent from the ceremony. The Bride/Groom do not want God, Christianity, or any form of religion mentioned in anyway. They want a strictly secular, practically atheistic ceremony.

I'm not atheist, and I'm nowhere near of claiming to be a christian. But if and when I ever do get married, I'd want a secular wedding as well. Marriage as someone has stated in an earlier post is a business arrangement. Always has and always will be. That's why they have prenumptual agreements.

4/28/2008 8:39:42 PM

Hw22

It's none of your damn business anyway whether other marriages are legit in your supposed god's eyes.

"and yes, we got married in a Church"

Well whoop-de-fucking-doo.

4/28/2008 8:40:05 PM

Osiris

Ah you know God, he wants to be in everybody's business. Can't even masturbate if you're not thinking about him.

4/28/2008 8:42:00 PM

Antichrist

I'm sure you're really popular at weddings. I know I wouldn't invite you.

4/28/2008 8:42:41 PM

tmr

Why would they care? If they chose to be married without any mention of god or religion it was pretty obviously a conscious choice and they couldn't give a flying fuck if god thinks it counts or not.

I'm on of 'em. I was married outside a barn, at an outdoor historical museum. I was married by a non-denominational pastor - and that was simply concession to my in-laws - who mentioned god once, if I am not mistaken; the ceremony was written and chosen by us so we were able to control the content. The only prayer in the entire 20 minute ceremony was an Apache (heathens) wedding prayer.

And, I am as married as they come. If god doesn't like it, it's his problem, not mine.

4/28/2008 8:45:19 PM

Beccs

It doesn't matter if your sky fairy sees them as legit or not. The law recognises the marriage and that's all that matters.

4/28/2008 8:54:57 PM

bria

I have been to a few weddings lately were God is completely absent from the ceremony. The Bride/Groom had a christian wedding. They want a strictly secular, practically anti-God ceremony.

The question is: Do the Gods view these marriages as "legit"? Is the couple REALLY Married in the Gods eyes? Are they living in a constant state of adultery even though they made a vow to honor and love each other forever? Do Thor and Isis frown upon christian marriage?


Much, much better.

4/28/2008 9:24:14 PM

ArmandT

Let's see. Whether I get married in a Buddhist temple (realistic option) or an Icelandic fjord (ideal option), as long as I have a valid marriage contract I really don't care whether God recognises it or not.

4/28/2008 9:32:07 PM



Hey, God didn't complain about King Solomon's 700 marriages(I wonder if he promised to love and honor each one forever?), so why should a little thing like a secular marriage be a problem?

4/28/2008 9:33:19 PM

Doctor Whom

Tell us what your holy book says about proper marriage ceremonies. Go on.

4/28/2008 9:34:37 PM

Snaardvark

You know, when my husband and I were married,Harry Potter was completely absent from the ceremony. The question is: Does Harry Potter view our marriage as "legit"?

Oh what a joy it must be to having every action supervised and approved by a fictional character.

4/28/2008 9:35:16 PM

BobMalarky

You can get married in god's eyes all you want, but without a slip of paper from the government you ain't getting any benefits.

4/28/2008 9:38:06 PM

Andrew

Considering that the church had nothing to do with weddings/marriage until the 16th century (Council of Trent, 1563), I don't think your imaginary friend gives a shit.

4/28/2008 9:40:36 PM



Whatever Gods considers marriage, they marry for the money. And so do you, at least in part. Get the picture before you get upset.

4/28/2008 9:49:26 PM

John

The Bible says nothing about marriage "in the sight of God". It offers no definition one way or another about what marriage is or isn't - it just assumes people know what it is. Eve is described as Adam's "wife" (Gen. 2:25). Who "married" them?

The idea of marriage as something that has to be done "before God", or in a church, or in front of some sort of priest or pastor, or in accordance with some religious ritual, was an invention of the Roman Catholic church. It's been carried forward into other Christian denominations.

4/28/2008 10:33:48 PM

Trovore

Your God was actually very pragmatic about the whole marriage situation. Recognizing even polygamist marriages performed outside of the "christian" tradition. It seems your God defers (in many cases) to secular authorities in the matter of marriage. Which is something one would expect of a wise and all-knowing God who flat out opposes divorce. That means (in the eyes of God) Bhuddist marriages are fully married. Muslim marriages are fully married and even same-sex marriages are fully married in the eyes of your God. This is something fundies fail to understand. Its not your business who marries whom and for what reason.

4/28/2008 10:41:43 PM
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