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Further, as a Christian, my job isn't to 'prove' anything. Sure, we have proof - Christian Theism is the Ultimate Fact of the universe, without it nothing could exist - but the evolutionists have decieved you if you think 'proof' is the issue.

It's absurd to try and 'prove' what you, I, and EVERY PERSON EVER BORN already know. Could I offer 'proof' that met their desired standard (I can offer proof - but I can't offer proof that meets their artificial man-determined standard), it would only 'prove' what they already know - that there is one God, He created this world, and we are all sinners born at enmity with Him.

arowneragain, arfcom 43 Comments [4/28/2008 4:27:31 PM]
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Fek'lhr

You can offer proof? I'll take anything you got.

4/28/2008 4:31:54 PM

Joe-Bob

I have a Hindu friend from India who'd like to talk to you about that "every person ever born already know(s)" stuff.

4/28/2008 4:33:38 PM

Alfred

Then show me your "proof."


"... we are all sinners born at enmity with Him."

Why was your god unable to create humans who would not rebel against him? That's a pretty incompetent god.




4/28/2008 4:41:01 PM

Dumbfounded

No, "Cuz I said so!" isn't proof.

Neither is "You know I'm right and you're lying if you say you don't!" or "Proof is what I say it is, so there!".

Your own bible says you're supposed to put your childish things behind you, that includes kindergarten arguments, tool!

4/28/2008 5:00:03 PM

Osiris

See as a Christian I'm given the special right to make outrageous claims and never have to back any of it up.

4/28/2008 5:02:49 PM

Headache

What's a god?

4/28/2008 5:10:23 PM

tmr

Please, lets see that proof. So many fundies claim to have the proof but refuse to offer it up, saying others won't accept it anyway. Logical people who are confident in their proofs, are more than willing to share. If your proof is so great, don't you think it would help your cause?

4/28/2008 5:17:01 PM

Comicartist

"Further, as a Christian, my job isn't to 'prove' anything."

Great so you'll stop with this whole Creationism and ID nonsense.

"Sure, we have proof - Christian Theism is the Ultimate Fact of the universe, without it nothing could exist"

(Citation needed)

"but the evolutionists have decieved you if you think 'proof' is the issue."

Ah well I guess I wasn't really expecting you to stop with it.

"It's absurd to try and 'prove' what you, I, and EVERY PERSON EVER BORN already know."

(Citation needed again)

"Could I offer 'proof' that met their desired standard"

My guess here would be no.

"I can offer proof - but I can't offer proof that meets their artificial man-determined standard"

Oh why look at that I was right.

"it would only 'prove' what they already know - that there is one God"

No we don't all know that. I rather dislike this particular argument.

4/28/2008 5:19:05 PM

GigaGuess

Because I say so is not proof.

4/28/2008 5:23:32 PM

Mister Spak

"Could I offer 'proof' that met their desired standard "

Hell no. If you could you wouldn't have to keep repeating "if evolution is true why are there monkies".

4/28/2008 5:24:32 PM

Pup

The guy sounds like he might be a presuppositionalist.

Their argument is a little like a metaphysical version of the strong anthropic principle.

4/28/2008 5:25:05 PM

emau99

[Further, as a Christian, my job isn't to 'prove' anything.]

Similarly, my job isn't to refute baseless allegations. I do it in my spare time.

[Sure, we have proof - Christian Theism is the Ultimate Fact of the universe, without it nothing could exist - but the evolutionists have decieved you if you think 'proof' is the issue.]

If proof isn't the issue, why bring it up?

If you do have proof, let's see it. If the proof isn't even the issue, then you shouldn't have any objections to sharing it with us.

[It's absurd to try and 'prove' what you, I, and EVERY PERSON EVER BORN already know.]

Uh...WHAT?

[Could I offer 'proof' that met their desired standard (I can offer proof - but I can't offer proof that meets their artificial man-determined standard),]

So are you saying that you can offer proof, but you *can't* offer proof? Or are you saying that the proof can't be proven?

[it would only 'prove' what they already know - that there is one God, He created this world, and we are all sinners born at enmity with Him.]

You're speaking for every human being ever born...isn't that a bit conceited?

4/28/2008 5:30:35 PM

Thiniking Allowed

It's absurd to try and 'prove' what you, I, and EVERY PERSON EVER BORN already know

Is it possible that you don't have any?

4/28/2008 5:37:05 PM

Pup

Remember TA, everyone actually knows deep down that God is real. Some just deny Him.

4/28/2008 5:48:21 PM

FMG

So we are at enmity with the creator? I guess we'll have to get some giant robots to fight the creator. I hear that the Preserver god (Vishnu) has already got one. For it is said:

"They had blocked the way to the elixir with a fierce mechanical contraption of sharp rotating blades."

And then, once we have our giant magical robot with buzz saw arms, we'll need someone to pilot it. For theosophical reasons I suggest finding teenage girls and ruining their lives for this purpose.

4/28/2008 5:48:57 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

It's absurd to try and 'prove' what you, I, and EVERY PERSON EVER BORN already know.

Convenient for you not to have to prove a whopper like that, eh?

4/28/2008 5:57:32 PM

Papabear

Yeah, those darn man-determined standards always seem to jam up Fundie faith.

4/28/2008 5:59:42 PM

Professor M

Let's see here...

1) Come up with assumptions that include the belief that you're trying to promote.
2) Insist that any discussion is impossible without accepting these assumptions as basic premises.
3) Declare victory.

arowneragain clearly has a bright future as an analytic philosopher.

4/28/2008 6:13:31 PM

Antichrist

I have a secret, but I'm not going to tell you.

Fucking 5-year-olds.

4/28/2008 6:20:01 PM

anevilmeme

Clueless.

4/28/2008 6:49:49 PM

Old Viking

Actually I was born on reasonably good terms with God. Stayed that way till he started messin' around with me.

4/28/2008 6:56:30 PM

HeathenAngel

Proof or STFU!

4/28/2008 7:05:37 PM

cyborgtroy

Giveth unto me your proofs, that I might critique and ask whether you even went to school.

Many of you didn't.

4/28/2008 7:14:17 PM

Thammuz

This is the proof that Neanderthal men did exist. As a matter of fact it looks like they still do.

4/28/2008 7:30:13 PM

approximate

"It's absurd to try and 'prove' what you, I, and EVERY PERSON EVER BORN already know"

That you're a fucking retard?

You've proven it.

4/28/2008 7:52:45 PM
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