And for your argument about the children, which everyone brings up. If they starve and die, and even if they know nothing of God they're going to Heaven. So its not like their suffering is in vain.
[ME: So, if I brutally beat you up and then give you candy, its all good, right?]
I doubt that the momentary satisfaction of candy compares to eternal fucking bliss.
Why do atheists use these bogus analogies and expect no one to notice the obvious flaw?
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Wait, so now you don't need to kiss God's ass to go to heaven? Sweet!
Actually maybe not so sweet. Am I the only one who actually finds the diea of eternal anything, including bliss, deeply undesirable?
Besides, you'd have to reatin all your memories in heaven, otherwise it's not really "you" in heaven. So you'd still have all the emotional and psychologial problems from a life-time of fucking misery.
Perhaps, you idiot, because it brings to light the point that just because you reward someone after you do something horrible to them doesn't mean it's ok to do something horrible to them.
Then again... Naruto forums... /sigh
By the way, I never understood this whole divine joy thing, I think Heaven would be more analogous to an endless supply of instant ramen - Handy, but not really inherently blissful.
I doubt that the momentary pain of a beating compares to eternal fucking torment.
See, it works the other way too. Any God willing to inflict eternal suffering on anyone for any reason isn't too just in my books.
even if they know nothing of God they're going to Heaven.
Where in the Bible does it say that? Scripture clearly says "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)
Just where in the Bible does it say that Children get a free pass?
It doesn't, it says we're all born in sin and if we're not born again we go to hell. Since that concept was so horrible, the Catholic church invented purgatory and infant baptism. The Protestants moved on and came up with an "age of innocence" idea, which is 8 or 13 depending on who you ask.
deathbird, it's because there are one-hundred forty thousand posters on Naruto forums. If even one percent of those were fundies, then they'd have 1,400 fundy posters.
he has a point, it's not a fair analogy
there are enough ways to blow their arguments out of the water without resorting to silliness
@deathbird: I think it's the same geeky/aspie type that easy gets drawn to both japanese popular-culture and Fundamentalism.
... and before anyone flame me, I have to say I have experience that led me to that thought both from ZeldaUniverse and real life.
Ok, so if I give you $10 million dollars, but still beat you up brutally without your permission...that's cool?
I've got no problem with God, I just think He should be beholden to the same moral principles He demands of his creation.
Antichrist wrote:
"Just where in the Bible does it say that Children get a free pass?
It doesn't, it says we're all born in sin and if we're not born again we go to hell. Since that concept was so horrible, the Catholic church invented purgatory and infant baptism."
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"Purgatory" does nothing to get around the problem of babies condemned to hell.
What the Catholics DID invent to circumvent this problem was the notion of an "outer circle" of Hell, where all the babies who died unbaptized went. Dante described this "first circle" of Hell as being a kinder, gentler Hell, still cut off from God but devoid of all that icky eternal torment stuff that the "real" hellbound people had to suffer.
Later Catholics termed this realm "Limbo."
Ignorance is bliss.
Eternal bliss - like singing Hosanna (or Rosanna) forever and ever to Jesus would be eternal hell.
You are the obvious flaw, and we do recognize you. You're also the weakest link.
So there. <Razzberries>
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