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I am on another board (secular)

I was reading a thread about prayer and how people get offended when people say that they will pray for them.

As I was reading some of the comments back and forth, I was just amazed at the out and out hatred or what appears to be hatred towards God. As well as the out and out non-belief for no good reason.

There was NEVER a time in my life, that I DID NOT believe in God, or that I did not love Him. Even before I was saved I loved God.

So my question is this, as children did these people not believe in God? As children don't we just naturally KNOW there is a God? What happened to that knowledge?

I don't understand non-belief, in anything for that matter. Especially in the western world. I noticed that a lot of the "so called" intellectuals (s) are the ones who do not believe. I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God. Why do they not see it?

yellowbo, RaptureReady 57 Comments [4/29/2008 11:22:18 AM]
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MK

"As children don't we just naturally KNOW there is a God? What happened to that knowledge?"

No. You only believe you have always believed in God because you cannot remember a time when you didn't. That time was when you were too young to understand your parents' inane babble talk.

"I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God."

Such as....?

4/29/2008 11:26:10 AM

LabRat

I take it all the tales of adult non-Christians who were traumatized by Christians in childhood went in one ear and out the other? Nothing there to latch on to?

4/29/2008 11:30:54 AM

Thundersqueaks

"I don't understand non-belief, in anything for that matter."

You don't understand why you have non-belief in the thousands of other gods/goddesses mankind worships?

4/29/2008 11:34:12 AM

Nic

There was never a time in my life when I did believe god/gods existed. Even as a child, I'd go to Sunday school and sit there the whole time thinking "Well, this is silly."
I don't get offended if someone says they'll pray for me, if they mean well. My mom was very sick several years ago, nearly died in fact, and lots of people told me they were praying for her. That was nice, even if I don't share the belief. If someone tells me they'll pray for me because I'm queer and going to hell, or something like that, THEN I'm offended, as it's an insult!

4/29/2008 11:34:47 AM

Mister Spak

" I noticed that a lot of the "so called" intellectuals (s) are the ones who do not believe. I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God. Why do they not see it? "

Most likely because it's not there.

I will pray to Allah for you.

4/29/2008 11:35:20 AM

Frank

I see you're upset. I'll research stem cells for you.

4/29/2008 11:49:31 AM

Illuminatalie

'I noticed that a lot of the "so called" intellectuals (s) are the ones who do not believe. I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God. Why do they not see it?'

Ever think that maybe the so-called experts, are actually the experts?

4/29/2008 12:02:15 PM

3chordwonder

I don't get offended by people praying for me (or anyone else) I just get frustrated that they could be using that time more constructively.

Like the time those coal miners were trapped and evryone spent forever praying for them....maybe a few more hands digging might have been more effective.

4/29/2008 12:15:08 PM

Edwardo, the patron saint of douche-baggery

Yeah, I get kind of offended when someone tries to pray for my salvation and then tries to shove the belief down my throat. Just let me be, and I won't point out the glaring contradictions and the hypocrisy present within you religion. Also, tabula rasa. No one inherently believes in anything, nor do they know anything for that matter when they are born. You believe because your parents indoctrinated you and your grandparents indoctrinated them. And no, there is hardly any if no scientific evidence whatsoever for your god or for any others. The key phrase to your 'argument' was "I THINK there is so much scientific evidence..." Well, you thought wrong.

4/29/2008 12:20:49 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Since I have been crippled by MS, I often encounter people who say they'll pray for me, and I always say, "Sure, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead."

Of course, if they indicate that they want to pray for the state of my "soul" rather than my health, my response is considerably less polite.

4/29/2008 12:21:55 PM

tmr

My first conscious knowledge of anyone called god was when I was about 10. I've had questions and doubts since that day. Even at 10 I knew things just didn't make any sense and couldn't really "be". I was no genius to figure this out; I was simply not brainwashed. My mom took my questions and let me run with them instead of beating them down and forcing me into a belief it was obvious I wasn't gonna' tolerate.

So, to answer your question, it is correct that many people have not believed in god since childhood and no, children don't just naturally know there is a god. The only time children claim to know there is a god is if they've been brainwashed by their parents since birth. It is not inherent to being alive; without the power of suggestion, god wouldn't necessarily become a thought to any human being.

Remember, all those heathens over time, and the ones that still need missionaries to spread the word of god? People are not born knowing of any god.

In the end, that is part of your god's problem. He is supposedly so great, and accepting him is part of everlasting salvation of the human race he created, but he sure as hell makes it difficult, doesn't he?

And if you really want to pray for me, go ahead and waste your energy. I won't stop you. But, I don't want to know about it either since it does me no good, so keep your prayers private.

4/29/2008 12:47:26 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

I don't understand non-belief, in anything for that matter.

When you understand non-belief in all the other gods, you'll understand our non-belief in yours.

4/29/2008 12:55:28 PM

Nirjuana

Children doesn't "naturally" know that there is a God, they've just been brainwashed by their parents

4/29/2008 1:14:27 PM

LexKitten

I believed in God as a child -- when ever I wanted something.


"OK God" Little Lex Kitten said, pressing her hands together, "prove to me you exist. If you buy me a Nintendo 64, I'll believe, and pray every day in the morning *and* night."

4/29/2008 1:18:43 PM

cyborgtroy

"There was NEVER a time in my life, that I DID NOT believe in God, or that I did not love Him. Even before I was saved I loved God."

Wow, you have been brainwashed pretty hard. I feel sorry for you. Really.

"So my question is this, as children did these people not believe in God?"

No. I recognized the problem of evil, I didn't believe the heaven-hell system was fair at all, and I may have thought about the Agnostic's Wager, and thus concluded God was probably not there.

"As children don't we just naturally KNOW there is a God?"

Tabla Raza - You only loved God because your parents were fundies too.

"What happened to that knowledge?"

I never got it, I was raised agnostic and came to my own conclusion that there was no god.

"I don't understand non-belief, in anything for that matter."

You can't understand why I don't believe in unicorns?

"Especially in the western world. I noticed that a lot of the "so called" intellectuals (s) are the ones who do not believe."

Maybe that means something.

"I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God. Why do they not see it?"

"Because, Proog! Der's nothin' der!" - Emo, to Proog, from Elephant's Dream.

4/29/2008 1:31:45 PM

Blayze Kohime

No, as children you are told to believe in God and you buy into it for the same reason you buy into Santa or the Easter Bunny. Have you ever tried to tell a five year old that there is no Santa? If their parents haven't told them this, they have a very similar reaction to a fundie when you tell them there is no God. No one believes in God before they are told about God. That is why Christianity can't possibly be the one true path. If it were a true path, people would be able to devise it without being told about it.

4/29/2008 1:38:08 PM

szena

As children, we believe in all sorts of magical things.

4/29/2008 1:39:29 PM

Headache

Well, I have been an atheist since the day I was born. I don't even know what a god is as nobody can tell me what it really is.

4/29/2008 2:10:42 PM

Ambrielle

Satan on a bicycle, where do I start?

4/29/2008 2:33:00 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"non-belief for no good reason"


"belief for no reason at all"

There. Fixed.

4/29/2008 2:36:11 PM

freako104

I don't remember believing in god or not as a child. I do know I did question the existence of god/gods all my life. I believe in many gods, This does not mean there is proof of them. Nor is there proof of yours.

4/29/2008 2:40:18 PM

emau99

[As well as the out and out non-belief for no good reason.]

Can you give us a good reason why you do believe?

[There was NEVER a time in my life, that I DID NOT believe in God, or that I did not love Him. Even before I was saved I loved God. ]

I find this very, very hard to believe.

[So my question is this, as children did these people not believe in God? As children don't we just naturally KNOW there is a God?]

No, and neither did you.

[I noticed that a lot of the "so called" intellectuals are the ones who do not believe. I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God. Why do they not see it?]

Show us your scientific evidence. Let's talk about it.

4/29/2008 2:43:26 PM

David B.

Actually, I don't get offended if people say they are going to pray for me. Though I usually ask them if they'd also mind sacrificing a goat to Baal for me too, just to be on the safe side.

Then they get offended. :-)

4/29/2008 2:50:03 PM

Stormy1x2

I get offended everytime my 'friend' disagrees with me over something and then offers to pray for me. I find it insulting and patronizing. Because she can't present a logical argument, she resorts to the bible and how I'm wrong, and that she'll 'pray for me to see the light.' Meanwhile, I've won the debate and wondering why I still feel like I lost. Could it be because deep down my friend will ever accept my viewpoints but expects me to accept hers?

No... couldn't be.

Don't pray for me. Leave me out of your idiocy.

4/29/2008 3:15:26 PM

David D.G.

"There was NEVER a time in my life, that I DID NOT believe in God, or that I did not love Him. Even before I was saved I loved God."

This reminds me that there was a time when I thought I had always known how to talk. I almost didn't believe my parents when they told me that I had once been a baby and hadn't been able to speak words for nearly a year. Of course, I was about 4 at the time.


"So my question is this, as children did these people not believe in God? As children don't we just naturally KNOW there is a God? What happened to that knowledge?"

If everyone is born believing in God, why would we need missionaries, or even children's Sunday school? We don't forget that "knowledge"; we learn what people tell us when we are very young, and you obviously learned your fundie indoctrination frighteningly well.


"I don't understand non-belief, in anything for that matter. Especially in the western world."

You don't understand nonbelief in ANYTHING? You believe in EVERYTHING? How the heck is that even possible? You just accept as true the last thing anyone said to you, no matter what it might contradict that you've heard or experienced before? You've got some mental screws loose, and you really ought to get them tightened.


"I noticed that a lot of the "so called" intellectuals (s) are the ones who do not believe. I think there is so much scientific evidence to prove the existence of God. Why do they not see it?"

Maybe it's because you are a blithering idiot who has no idea what he's talking about (especially with regard to "scientific evidence), and being intellectuals, they have enough mental acuity to recognize this. That'd be my guess, anyway.


~David D.G.

4/29/2008 3:19:24 PM
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