(Why was Hitler's free will more important than the free will of his six million victims?)
Hmmm. . . i will not answer this question because this is not the first time God has done what He must to His people. And He warned them many times. See Old testement. deuteronomy 28 verse 15-68. Remember that the jews have a covenant with God that says He will do this to them if they do not obey. Which they agreed too.
(Why doesn't god simply take people to heaven the instant they convert? That would prevent backsliding and save more souls.)
What would stop you to backslide in heaven like Satan? And what if you reform in hell? Till jughment day you can still chose between good and evil as we know it.
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I hate how even moderate Christians seem to regard rape, murder, genocide and violence to be integral parts of the world. The concept of 'shades of grey' (ie. 'free will to do everything but the really bad stuff') flies way over their heads.
And where do these pricks want to go when they die? To Heaven. Where there is no rape, genocide, spousal abuse, etc. Boggles the mind.
"what if you reform in hell?"
BLASPHEMY! Take him off the chambers...we are doing God's work today, people!
"What would stop you to backslide in heaven like Satan"
Wow, so even while you're enjoying your eternal reward, your car, your mansion, your trophy wife, you still have to keep up your faith and go to church and do everything?
AND you can reform in Hell?
Well why does it matter what I do in life, then?
If Hell really does exist, I'll just become a Christian there!
Problem solved!
So, then, what you're saying is that Heaven is not really what it's been cracked up to be - that perfect place where we'd be eternally happy and have no reason to "backslide" or rebell? Yep, I always thought it was a lie, too.
"What would stop you to backslide in heaven like Satan? And what if you reform in hell?"
How is living a few extra years on Earth going to prevent that in any case?
If people can change after they've entered the afterlife, then, over the course of eternity, wouldn't you end up with a fair number of wicked sinners in heaven and just as many God loving, repentant converts in hell?
What then? Is it simply too late, and God just has to put up with all the sinners in his midst? And is he happily complacent about all those who could be in heaven, but are suffering in eternal torment instead?
God has done what He must to His people.
So Hitler was merely doing god's work, like he said. And Eichman was merely doing Hitler's.
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Maybe there is for them; one man's heaven is another's hell.
[And what if you reform in hell? Till jughment day you can still chose between good and evil as we know it.]
So...assuming that there really is a hell...all the souls there can simply reform and get out? In other words, souls condemned to hell can choose to leave at any time?
Kinda takes the "eternal" and the "damnation" out of "eternal damnation", don't you think?
So basically, you're saying that its entirely unnecessary for Christians to try to convert others to Christianity.
What if you repent in hell AFTER judgment day, or vice versa? Since heaven and hell don't take away free will...
If what you say is true, then a lot of people would end up in Hell not for being a bad person, but because they were mistreated by the lesser Christians and got a bad image of what Christianity was. If exposed to the reality they might instantly repeat (or they might curse such a vindictive God for his cruel punishment). Its short sighted to say no one would at any time ever do this. I mean it happened once when the universe had never even been tainted by 'sin', right?
Well if I die, and I don't like where I end up. I guess I'll either backslide or repent as necessary.
So quit pestering me in this life.
So, is there free will, or God is all almighty(or not)?, Hell is a punishment, yes or not?. Make up your mind.
If I can reform in hell then what I do in life is meaningless.
Plus, once I'm in hell I'll have a lot more reason to believe!
You god cannot, by definition, escape the consequences of free will exercised by his creation.
He is, therefore, not omniscient because he cannot predict what any human will choose to do. As you say, he has to make rules.
He is not omnipotent or all powerful since he cannot punish those specific individuals who break his rules but must punish everyone collectively. That means he is not just nor very loving.
He is not almighty because he cannot even control his own creation and his will may be subverted by any individual.
Man, it seems, is capable of measuring your god and bending him to man's will. Similar to what you are doing.
Tell me, why do you worship this particular deity again?
That is probably the stupidest answer anyone could ever come up with for that 2nd question. If you can backslide in heaven before judgment day, you can backslide after.
As for the first stupid answer, I've heard that bullshit too many times to count.
What would stop you to backslide in heaven like Satan? And what if you reform in hell? Till jughment day you can still chose between good and evil as we know it.
Apparently God suffers from C-Programmer's Disease.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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