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Do you blame the person that gets behind the wheel of a car drunk and plows into a tree and kills themselves? DO you blame the drug addict that is shot while making a drug deal?

sweetkitty, Christian Forums 15 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Stender

Um, yes actually we do blame them. Is this supposed to be some poorly thought out analogy about sin?

6/16/2008 7:05:59 AM

Amos

I just read a few pages of those Christian Forums comments for context. No doubt: sweetkitty absolutely deserves to be quoted here. It's classic blame the victim.

The background: A story about a girl, 15, who is hit on by a guy, 29. She turns him down, says she's a lesbian. He kills her. He doesn't like to be turned down.

sweetkitty then starts to argue that the girl brought it on herself by "living a dangerous lifestyle" despite that lifestyle not really entering into it, despite her just being a random victim of violence.

6/16/2008 8:45:42 AM

Cabraxas

Actually yes. The drunk driver and drug addict were completely responsible for their own fate. What's your point?

6/16/2008 8:53:38 AM

Anon

The drunk driver, yes. Their actions lead directly to their demise, they had an active part in it. The drug addict can do drugs and not hurt anyone else and they don't take an active role in shooting themselves (just put themself in a position to die easier), so that person doesn't really deserve it.

6/16/2008 9:04:55 AM

rubber chicken

I'm with Anon on this one.

6/16/2008 10:45:59 AM



Yes.

7/31/2008 6:54:54 PM

Grigadil

Yes, they could have chosen better alternatives. Nobody (other than themselves) forced them into their fatal situations.

7/31/2008 7:03:06 PM

Brenz

So being a lesbian got her killed, because her lesbian lifestyle (real or fictitious to avoid getting hit on) infuriated someone in the straight lifestyle so much he stabbed her.

Erm...no.

7/31/2008 7:25:56 PM

Arts_Myth

And, sadly(!), sweetkitty deserves all the blame for her own agonizing death in a fire...

7/31/2008 8:04:28 PM



Apparently, since you have no idea how responsability and free will work, you´re not allowed to be a Christian.

8/8/2009 2:30:11 PM

aaa

Yes. I call the drunk driver an idiot for endangering everyone on the road and i call the addict an idiot for either not paying up or choosing a bad dealer.

1/28/2010 2:41:08 AM

meme

As far as I'm concerned: one, neither of them deserved to die; two, the drunk drivers death was an accident (or suicide if they crashed on purpose but I'm assuming they didn't); and three, in the case of the drug addict I would blame the person (or people?) who shot them.

And yes, of course, the choices people make can increase or decrease their chance of dying. This applies to every decisions that anyone ever makes. It's called taking risks. Some times the consequences of an action are more foreseeable than others, which is why some things can be concluded to be bad decisions (driving drunk, for example).

As for the situation of someone being murdered for being homosexual, that analysis is simple enough. As with just about any murder: the person who committed the murder could have been reasonably expected to predict that the victim would die because of their actions, so the blame would be on them; also, the person who committed the murder presumable wanted the victim to die, so the result of their actions was not only predictable but intended.

4/4/2012 7:48:28 PM

Swede

Yes, I blame anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car while drunk, for driving while drunk and endangering other peoples health, not for getting himself killed.
Why blame someone for getting shot? Apparently you can get shot while sitting in class...
Do you blame the seven people in the Korean school in Oakland who died the other day, sweetkitty?

4/5/2012 12:12:56 AM



Yes, so?

4/5/2012 10:47:25 AM

Lady Evil

I wonder what sweetkitty's reaction would be if the girl said "No thanks. I'm only 15 and I don't think I should date someone your age." and she got shot anyway.

4/5/2012 11:34:35 AM
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