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But if it [evolution] IS real, then...
*There's no distinction between man and animals, so there's no right and wrong
*There's no purpose in life, since evolution is undirected
*People have no souls, and so you can't go to an afterlife
*There is no God who could have made things, because evolution says things developed by themselves

Do you see some startling problems with following the trail of ideas?

BlueberryMuffan, deviantART 17 Comments [4/30/2008 9:34:55 PM]
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Wait. What?

"*There's no distinction between man and animals, so there's no right and wrong"
Wrong. We create what is right and wrong by our own social obligations for society to function and everyone to be treated fairly. That is why we are the dominant species on earth.

*There's no purpose in life, since evolution is undirected
Unless you make on for yourself. Lazy.

*People have no souls, and so you can't go to an afterlife
Explain how this is a problem.

*There is no God who could have made things, because evolution says things developed by themselves
While not necessarily true, this is also not a problem.

5/9/2008 8:38:37 PM

GigaGuess

1.) Other than empathy for other people. See, SOME of us don't need an ancient divine hand holding our leash, keeping us from going murderstealrape crazy.

2.) Why does there have to be? Why can't you define yourself, as opposed to a deity doing it for you?

3.) Evolution states nothing of the sort...oh, riiiight, you guys are the ones who maintain that animals have no souls...

4.) Huh. An all powerful, omnipotent god couldn't have guided evolution? Why do you insist on limiting what all-powerful means?

5/9/2008 10:05:11 PM

szena

Ethical behaviors have been observed in animals. You lose.

5/9/2008 10:53:34 PM

aaa

I only see lazy thinking.

10/27/2008 9:14:51 PM

J.K.


*There's no distinction between man and animals, so there's no right and wrong

Our ability to think, to reason, to innovate, that seperates us from the animals. Society creates what is right and wrong.

*There's no purpose in life, since evolution is undirected
Our purpose should be to better ourselves, and to pass on our better traits to the next generations.

*People have no souls, and so you can't go to an afterlife Has nothing to do with evolution. Prove that souls actually exist.

*There is no God who could have made things, because evolution says things developed by themselves So you'll have to figure things out for yourself instead of assuming that some unknown creator has some plan for you... How is this bad?

8/17/2010 7:24:30 PM

Blasphemina

I'm supposed to entrust the fate of my immortal soul to someone named BlueberryMuffan? Seriously?

8/17/2010 7:40:18 PM

rubber chicken

No, I don't

8/17/2010 7:42:53 PM

SpacemanSpiff

"*There's no distinction between man and animals, so there's no right and wrong"

We are animals, anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. As for right and wrong, it certainly didnt and doesnt come from religion.

"*There's no purpose in life, since evolution is undirected"

Evolution is plenty directed, it just doesnt give a damn about you personally, what a scary concept.

"*People have no souls, and so you can't go to an afterlife"

Evolution itself says nothing about all the various afterlives proposed by all the various religions.

"*There is no God who could have made things, because evolution says things developed by themselves"

Evolution also says nothing about this. Personally, I'm an atheist and theres obviously no evidence for any god, but speaking hypothetically in your idiom (I assume), why couldnt god have set evolution in motion and then stepped back?

"Do you see some startling problems with following the trail of ideas?"

No, I really don't. I see your obvious fear of death, thats about it.

8/17/2010 8:06:56 PM

anti-nonsense

*There's no distinction between man and animals, so there's no right and wrong
some of the more intelligent non-human animals have been shown to capable of understanding the concept of fairness, and to be capable of empathy, both of which lie at the basis of human morality.
*There's no purpose in life, since evolution is undirected
We are free to choose our own purpose in life, we don't need a purpose given to us on a platter.
*People have no souls, and so you can't go to an afterlife
There are lots of people that believe in evolution and in souls, the two are not actually mutually exclusive, and even if they were, so what?
*There is no God who could have made things, because evolution says things developed by themselves
Again, believing in God and believing in evolution aren't mutually exclusive there are people who believe that God provided some level of guidance to evolution. And why is God not existing a problem anyway?

8/17/2010 9:04:38 PM

Justanotheratheist

* Humans are animals. Get used to this, once and for all. We may be much more socially aware than other species, and we don't operate by instinct alone, but we are still animals.
* It's up to you to make the best of what life has given you. I have plenty of "purpose" in my life, thanks very much. Caring for my wife (who happens to be a believer) being of prime importance.
* The first correct thing you've said. No souls, no afterlife, no Jebus, no St Peter waiting at the pearly gates. Stop pissing your one shot at life away waiting for something that will never happen.
* You can stop after the fourth word.

Conclusion: No, I don't see the slightest problem with following that trail of so-callied ideas, although I would prefer to call them fallacies.

8/17/2010 11:39:17 PM

Canadiest

I'll sum up your issues with one sentence.

Mankind developed spoken and written languages which led to ideas being spread creating thousands of ridiculous myths with multiple interpretations.

Have you not noticed the many different religious sects, languages, diets, goverments, philosiphies and customs on our planet? Some plan. Now, if we developed seperately over time this is the natural outcome, similar in our biological drives (just like them other animals) but different in other ways.

8/18/2010 6:52:08 AM

Ling

It has been observed IRL, so it IS real.
* There is no distinction beween humans and the other animals, but that has nothing to do with right and wrong.
* The purpose in life is to live, to have offspring that will live (as a species, not as an individual). If you will; the purpose in life is to have sex...
* So? As I don't remember any beforelife, an afterlife is kinda moot.
* God could have started the evolution, right after he created the world. Things developed in relation to everything else. Evolution only describes how species change, not how life started.

8/18/2010 7:04:47 AM

Lee

No
no
yes
yes

where's the problem?

8/18/2010 7:11:20 AM

Quantum Mechanic

"
Do you see some startling problems with following the trail of ideas?
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No.

12/6/2011 9:26:46 AM

Dr.Shrinker

Reality is under no obligation to make you feel good BlueberryMuffin. The preponderance of evidence makes evolution the most robust and useful theory in biology. If that makes you sad, that is you problem, not reality's.

12/6/2011 10:17:04 AM

Anon-e-moose

"But if it [evolution] IS real, then...
*There's no distinction between man and animals, so there's no right and wrong
*There's no purpose in life, since evolution is undirected
*People have no souls, and so you can't go to an afterlife
*There is no God who could have made things, because evolution says things developed by themselves

Do you see some startling problems with following the trail of ideas?"

Nope. Because of one simple thing:

'If.' [/Spartan Laconic Wit] Also:

1- We live a finite time (one word: Telomeres). Thus, between the cord being cut and carking it, in the intervening time, we 'Treat others as you would want them to treat you'. As I wouldn't like being killed/harmed, nor have my property stolen/damaged, why should I do the same to others? Everything else follows from that.

2- Commit acts of gratuitous kindness too. A favour done is a favour paid forward. Do good things to others, you feel good. QED.

3- Things happen purely by chance, as did organic life, right up to today; hey, shit happens, right? Deal with it.

4- ?????

5- You FAIL, fundie religionists.

I love the smell of arguments blasted out of the space-time continuum in the morning. Smells like... victory.

12/6/2011 12:20:41 PM



*thinks * No

absolute right and wrong is unlikely. What allows a society to survive is what tend to happen.

what is the purpose of life for a Christian ?

Evolutions does not say there is no God(s) just that one is not required.

12/8/2011 11:06:45 PM
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